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    Black Jebus in regards to the article (www.betemunah.org/priests.html) you asked me to read in reference to the Melchizdek priesthood, since you never got back to me regarding your understanding of the article and how it relates to the LDS view I emailed the author for his view of the LDS priesthood. his response is the following: The Melchizedek priesthood was simply the priesthood of the firstborn. As such, all firstborn Jews will be able to take this office once it has been restored. Currently, the priesthood of the firstborn is awaiting restoration and has been supplanted by the Levitical priesthood. The Levitical priesthood can only be held by Levites who descend from Aaron and who are also Zadokites. Thus LDS men are EXPLICITLY EXCLUDED from both of these offices. (emphasis his)

    Joe68
    February 13, 2012
    12:55 PM
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    Black Jebus this seems to be turning into a discussion which is better suited for a forum. Thus I will respond to your comments at Welcome: Christianity: Mormons forum with a title something like "Discussion on my comment page"

    Joe68
    February 10, 2012
    12:51 PM
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    First off Joe let me thank you for reading my link as you do not always read the links of your dissenters. Also I would like to thank you for engaging me in a dialogue. Jesus said, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (John 13:34-35). He also said, “Anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing” (John 14:12), which included caring for the sick, troubled and powerless. To clarify, Jesus said, “If you love me, you will obey as I command.” Knowing who Jesus considers to be his followers should help us decide who’s Christian and who’s not shouldn’t it? You have family that is LDS so after reading that link you should see the link between the LDS priesthood and biblical tradition, it was written in plain straightforward language. I’ll give you scripture to look up to explain; (D&C 84:6-53) In an address by Elder Bruce R. McConkie delivered at the Regional Representatives seminar, October 3, 1974 will also explain. It’s entitled “Only an Elder.” The link which you read, along with these references do go hand in hand and have a firm footing in the Old Testament. If you do not see the link which is plain and simple then it is because you choose not to, not because it is not there. For example, Jesus supplanted the Mosaic law of an eye for an eye during the Sermon on the Mount so one could argue as many Jews do that Jesus and therefore Christianity defies what the biblical tradition was all about. But if you trust in Isaiah and in Daniel who gives an exact time frame for when the Messiah will present himself and be “cut off” or killed, then it does support the claim that Jesus is the Messiah and is of God, moreover he is the son of God therefore he has the authority to supplant Mosaic law. And as for the claim that you cherry pick scripture my specific example is when you wrote about the different terms of God in the Hebrew bible being used such as Yahweh or Elohim and Jehovah as well. You stated correctly that they were simply different terms for God not referencing two Gods, i.e. Jesus and God. But you conveniently failed to mention (John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” Understanding that Jesus is the word, as he is referred to as such repeatedly throughout the NT, brings this passage to light in that it demonstrates that Jesus helped to make all things with God and that he existed before creation. Another of your deeply cherish misrepresentations of LDS theology is the idea of exaltation or progressing toward godhood from manhood. And that Jesus should have had to progress the same way according to LDS teaching. I would point to (John 3: 16) & (John 1:1-3) we teach that as God’s only begotten Jesus was privileged in ways the rest of us were not. And that Jesus is an exalted being not an equal to God. If you choose not to accept or agree with that, that is one thing but the truth is you would rather misrepresent the LDS church teachings and say you understand them better than members do. And having spoken with LDS missionaries along with LDS family you should understand that rather than misrepresent that. And I never said that black folk were not barred from the priesthood I merely pointed out the exceptions to explain the ban in the first place, an issue that I also took exception to when I first got involved with the LDS church. The exceptions help explain why there was a ban in the first place which you should understand having LDS family but that is something you would rather misrepresent as well. And finally I would ask why you feel the need to write post after post to attempt to disprove the LDS church as if scripture is forensic evidence rather than an instrument of faith. Jesus, for example, was tempted by Satan and challenged to turn stone to bread. Jesus quoted scripture and said “Man can not live on bread alone.” Meaning that you must subsist on the spirit first and foremost. Likewise you can not gain full understanding by intellect and analytical thought alone, you must have faith as well. And you will never understand the LDS faith if everything you write, if everything you hear, if everything you learn in regards to it only serve to disprove it. You can not prove that my faith is wrong anymore than I can prove it is right. To have proof is to have knowledge and to have knowledge negates faith and all the lessons of it. All you and I have are our scripture and our faith, proof is not part of the equation. And again why are you so insecure as to your own faith that you must attack another faith? Why is your comfort in your faith not enough? Why the LDS faith stood out as a target to you as opposed to all the other faiths out there? Is it the LDS faith that is flawed or is it you? Or is it the fact that your nephews and possibly your sister are LDS and that you are so insecure that everyone around you especially your family must be like-minded else your fragile worldview come crumbling down all around you? Your posts beg those questions, someone has to ask.

    Blackjebus
    February 9, 2012
    2:05 AM
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