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1 year ago  ::  Oct 23, 2015 - 3:10AM #1
Merope
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President Obama today vetoed a sweeping $612 billion defense policy bill in a rebuke to congressional Republicans.  He also insisted that Congress send him a better version that doesn't tie his hands on some of his top priorities.


In an unusual Oval Office ceremony, Obama praised the bill for ensuring the military stays funded and making improvements on armed forces retirement and cybersecurity.  Yet he pointedly accused Republicans of resorting to "gimmicks" and prohibiting other changes needed to address modern security threats.


"Unfortunately, it falls woefully short," Obama said.  "I'm going to be sending it back to Congress, and my message to them is very simple: Let's do this right."


In no mood to negotiate, Republicans vowed to muster the votes to override him.


The rare presidential veto marked the latest wrinkle in the ongoing fight between Obama and Republicans who control Congress over whether to increase federal spending — and how.


Four years after Congress passed and Obama signed into law strict, across-the-board spending limits, both parties are eager to bust through the caps for defense spending.  But Obama has insisted that spending on domestic programs be raised at the same time, setting off a budget clash with Republicans that shows no signs of a quick resolution.


To sidestep the budget caps (aka sequestration), lawmakers added an extra $38.3 billion to a separate account for wartime operations that is immune from the spending limits.  The White House has dismissed that approach, arguing it fails to deal with the broader problem or provide long-term budget certainty for the Pentagon.


Obama also rejects the bill as written due to provisions making it harder for him to transfer detainees from Gitmo, a key campaign promise that he is hard-pressed to fulfill before his term ends.  The White House has also expressed concerns over provisions preventing military base closures and funding equipment beyond what the military says it needs.


Republicans erupted in near-universal criticism.  Senator John McCain, the Senate Armed Services Committee chair, called the veto "misguided, cynical and downright dangerous."  And more than a dozen House and Senate Republicans, including Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, joined in accusing Obama of putting politics ahead of the troops.


"Congress should not allow this veto to stand," said House Speaker John Boehner.


Yet the White House and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi insisted Democrats had the votes to ensure Obama's veto stays in place.  Barring a veto override, Congress will have to revise the bill or try to settle the larger budget dispute.


Obama has vetoed only a handful of bills before, generally in private.  In an effort to call attention to his concerns today, the White House invited reporters and photographers to witness him vetoing the bill.


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1 year ago  ::  Oct 23, 2015 - 8:43AM #2
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Gates and Panetta blasted Obama last year for micromanaging the military.


www.military.com/daily-news/2014/11/17/g...


In 2014, former Defense Secretaries Robert Gates and Leon Panetta joined in accusing President Obama and the White House National Security Council staff (NSC) of micromanaging the military...


"I think when a President wants highly centralized control at the White House, that's not bureaucratic, that's political," said Gates, a Republican.


At the same forum, Panetta, a Democrat, had similar criticisms of Obama and his staff on military matters, and singled out then-current campaign against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) in which Obama had ruled out the use ground combat troops.


"Never tell your enemy what the hell you're going to do," Panetta said.



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1 year ago  ::  Oct 23, 2015 - 11:20AM #3
TemplarS
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Yes, this is playing politics, and it is unfortunate when that happens as regards national defense. 


But no more unfortunate than when the mental 2 year olds in the House GOP play politics with things they do not like.


That is Washington politics these days.  Nobody gives a s__t about the country anymore, it is all about scoring political points.  In the House,  the Republicans are dickhe_ds (and will continue to be no matter who they elect as Speaker Chief Dickh_d),  and the Democrats are idiots.  And jiggered redistricting assures that this will continue.


We need a third party, not in the White House but in Congress. 

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1 year ago  ::  Oct 23, 2015 - 11:35AM #4
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Oct 23, 2015 -- 11:20AM, TemplarS wrote:


Yes, this is playing politics, and it is unfortunate when that happens as regards national defense. 


But no more unfortunate than when the mental 2 year olds in the House GOP play politics with things they do not like.


That is Washington politics these days.  Nobody gives a s__t about the country anymore, it is all about scoring political points.  In the House,  the Republicans are dickhe_ds (and will continue to be no matter who they elect as Speaker Chief Dickh_d),  and the Democrats are idiots.  And jiggered redistricting assures that this will continue.


We need a third party, not in the White House but in Congress. 




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1 year ago  ::  Oct 23, 2015 - 12:22PM #5
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Oct 23, 2015 -- 11:20AM, TemplarS wrote:

Yes, this is playing politics, and it is unfortunate when that happens as regards national defense.


We are way overspending on our "national defense." The military gets over half of our budget. We spend more than the next 9, or so, countries COMBINED!


But no more unfortunate than when the mental 2 year olds in the House GOP play politics with things they do not like.


The GOP should go back to sitting on the porch playing their banjo.


That is Washington politics these days.  Nobody gives a s__t about the country anymore, it is all about scoring political points.  In the House,  the Republicans are dickhe_ds (and will continue to be no matter who they elect as Speaker Chief Dickh_d),  and the Democrats are idiots.  And jiggered redistricting assures that this will continue.


The GOP doesn't care about the country, or the people in it. They have other priorities; being in power and catering to the defense industry and the golden revolving door it provides.


We need a third party, not in the White House but in Congress.


It would be nice, but I don't see such reforms in my lifetime.

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1 year ago  ::  Oct 25, 2015 - 8:11AM #6
BDboy
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If president Obama can manage military with smaller budget, it would be fine.


I was listening to some of the statements by Hillary Clionton during the latest hearing (I think it is the 5th or 8th one!) on Libya.


GOP already spent over 20 million of hearing on the SAME subject. Maybe they do not know one or two hearing is enough to find out facts. But when you are chasing fiction you need millions more.....

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