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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 7:05PM #1
TPaine
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It seems that racism is aliwe and well in Kentucky. Frown


Kentucky Prosecutor: Being Hispanic Is Good Enough Reason For Police To Pull You Over




Being Hispanic in Oldham County, Kentucky is enough to be pulled over by a cop, according to one prosecutor. You can also be coerced into a plea deal if you have a certain last name.


Last July, Mauro Martinez was pulled over for speeding but he was not charged. Instead, he was cited for not having a license because he only had a Guatemalan ID at the time. During a court hearing about the citation, Assistant County Attorney Travis Combs pointed out that the defendant’s issue was that he was pulled over for being Hispanic. In a video recording of the hearing, prosecuting attorney John K. Carter says “that’s probable cause.”


After a video of the exchange was circulated by the Courier-Journal, Carter reversed course and said the speed at which Martinez was driving was probable cause. But the judge presiding over the case and Martinez’ defense attorney, Dawn Elliot, did not interpret Carter’s remarks that way.



“Clearly he had an opportunity to clear that up on the record over 24 hours ago, but now there’s buzz about it,” Elliot said. “My reaction and the judge’s reaction speaks for itself. We certainly interpreted him talking about probable cause for my client’s ethnicity.”


Elliot believes Carter’s comment highlights a growing trend of racially profiling Hispanics in the county. She claims that prior to Martinez’ trial, she was informed by an assistant attorney that there is a special form for “people that have that type of last name” to plead guilty. If people without driver’s licenses are stopped, as Martinez was, officers encourage them to sign the form and agree to two years of unsupervised probation. If they are caught driving again without proper ID, they can be sentenced to jail for 90 days.


The assistant attorney noted that Martinez was offered a plea bargain, but repudiated Elliot’s claim that Hispanics are disproportionately targeted. Elliot is calling for an investigation of the county’s officers.


Latinos, like other people of color, are racially profiled during traffic stops across the country. Many are stopped for minor offenses, and if they cannot provide valid licenses they are funneled into the criminal justice system. Police often use lack of ID to crack down on undocumented immigrants.


While the push to give undocumented immigrants licenses has gained traction in many states, Kentucky still bars non-citizens from applying for driver IDs. However, a bill to give undocumented people special licenses if they live in the state for at least three years received bipartisan support earlier this year. The bill was not voted on, but it could be revived in 2016.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 7:16PM #2
mountain_man
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That should be no surprise to anyone.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 8:39PM #3
looshawn
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I don't fall for it. 


I thought Liberals viewed most Hispanics as just more whites (just as Zimmerman was).


 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 8:51PM #4
TPaine
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Oct 20, 2015 -- 8:39PM, looshawn wrote:


I don't fall for it. 


I thought Liberals viewed most Hispanics as just more whites (just as Zimmerman was).



The Liberals I know view Hispanics as human beings. Their race is irrelevant.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2015 - 9:02PM #5
mountain_man
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Oct 20, 2015 -- 8:39PM, looshawn wrote:

I don't fall for it.


There's nothing to fall for.


I thought Liberals viewed most Hispanics as just more whites (just as Zimmerman was).


Again, you thought wrong.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 21, 2015 - 8:00AM #6
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Oct 20, 2015 -- 7:05PM, TPaine wrote:

 Latinos, like other people of color, are racially profiled during traffic stops across the country. Many are stopped for minor offenses, and if they cannot provide valid licenses they are funneled into the criminal justice system.  



Apparently, there are many illegal immigrants in that part of the country. 


Then looking like one should be probable cause to allow a police officer to pull a person over and talk to him. If the person did no crime (unlike your examples here), then it costs a few minutes. If the person *is* an illegal immigrant, then the cops caught him. All the more so if he has no license, or if he did some other violation. 


There is nothing wrong with profiling in such a situation. It's annoying, but it works. Heck, I've been pulled aside because of profiling. I sighed, spoke to the officials, and since there was nothing wrong, they let me go. 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 21, 2015 - 10:40AM #7
mountain_man
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Oct 21, 2015 -- 8:00AM, shmuelgoldstein wrote:

Apparently, there are many illegal immigrants in that part of the country. .....


There is nothing wrong with profiling in such a situation. .....


 


Racial profiling is always wrong.

Moderated by Girlchristian on Oct 23, 2015 - 01:41PM
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2015 - 7:08AM #8
shmuelgoldstein
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Racial profiling is always wrong.



If you are capable of providing a logical explanation as to why racial profiling is *always* wrong, please do so. 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2015 - 8:59AM #9
BDboy
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Sooner or later this issue was going to come up.



HAving said that, I am not sure one should stop a driver for his/her race. "Probable cause" is a legal term and police officers are bound to explain/defend their actions in the court.


It will be unfortunate if  definition of "Probabble cause" has been expanded to include racial profiling. Very un-American!



I hope ACLU and other civil right groups will address it in future.


This crap may fly in Israel and occupied Palestine or countries under dictatorship. I'll very disappointed if America ends up "Expanding definition of probable cause" and support Racial profiling by police officers.


America will be little less "American" if this actully becomes legal.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2015 - 8:38PM #10
mountain_man
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Read this:


And this.


And this.



Racial profiling, aka bigotry, is against the concepts behind US law.



That's the facade (appropriate term) on the US Supreme Court Building.



Stopping someone solely because they are not white is bigotry and something that this society should not tolerate.

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