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1 year ago  ::  Mar 30, 2013 - 9:45AM #1
Ironhold
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For those who do not recall, a few years ago a lone gunman went on a shooting rampage here at Ft. Hood, killing several people and wounding a number of others. A suspect - a disgruntled Army officer known as Maj. Nadal Hasan, an active Muslim who was hesitant to deploy to the Middle East - was apprehended the same day, but due to a series of technicalities and other legal maneuvers the trial has yet to begin.

The families of the wounded and the deceased have been pushing for their loved ones to receive the Purple Heart, the US military's award for receiving an injury in the line of duty.

However, the federal government - this time, the Department of Defense - has consistently been refusing their requests.

You see, the government has refused all efforts to classify what took place as terrorism - even refusing the title "domestic terrorism" - because they fear that it will somehow bias the trial against Hasan, especially in regards to his religion. As an extension of this, they feel that giving Purple Hearts for the incident will be a backhanded admission that it was a terrorist action.



Folks, the way I see it, enough material has already come out as a result of the investigations that "referring to what took place as terrorism" won't change things either way. And since Hasan is up for multiple counts of murder, any additional terrorism charges would be redundant if he's convicted.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 30, 2013 - 10:31AM #2
mountain_man
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The Department of Defense says; "The criteria for the Purple Heart award state that the injury must have been caused by enemy action or in action against the enemy and has to be of a degree requiring treatment by a medical officer."


Here is a PDF with a history of the medal.


I always thought you had to be in a battle, in a war zone, to get the medal. I'd rather not see the medal diluted by giving it for any injury while in the military.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2013 - 2:28AM #3
Aka_me
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Mar 30, 2013 -- 9:45AM, Ironhold wrote:

but due to a series of technicalities and other legal maneuvers the trial has yet to begin.



The Defense Department document says that to expand the Purple Heart criteria to include “domestic criminal acts or domestic terror attacks would be a dramatic departure” from traditional criteria.


revisionism... now morphing the purple heart, what won't revisionism touch next?


if Hasan walks because of the government, I'm not sure what the right word for that would be.

buzz buzz... that dizzy fly is wrong to even think he can be an annoying.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2013 - 2:29AM #4
Aka_me
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Mar 30, 2013 -- 10:31AM, mountain_man wrote:


The Department of Defense says; "The criteria for the Purple Heart award state that the injury must have been caused by enemy action or in action against the enemy and has to be of a degree requiring treatment by a medical officer."


Here is a PDF with a history of the medal.


I always thought you had to be in a battle, in a war zone, to get the medal. I'd rather not see the medal diluted by giving it for any injury while in the military.



hey!


is that a bandaid on your boo boo from the obsticle course?


you better swing by the front office and pick up a purple heart for that?

buzz buzz... that dizzy fly is wrong to even think he can be an annoying.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2013 - 2:39AM #5
Ebon
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Mar 30, 2013 -- 9:45AM, Ironhold wrote:

You see, the government has refused all efforts to classify what took place as terrorism - even refusing the title "domestic terrorism" - because they fear that it will somehow bias the trial against Hasan, especially in regards to his religion. As an extension of this, they feel that giving Purple Hearts for the incident will be a backhanded admission that it was a terrorist action.



That would be because it wasn't terrorism. For something to be terrorism, it has to be a violent act aimed at changing government policy through coercion. Just being an act of violence committed by a Muslim doesn't make it a terrorist act.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2013 - 11:20AM #6
mountain_man
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My reservations about giving a Purple Heart to those killed in that murder spree is that they did not willingly and knowingly enter a combat zone. They were not killed in a combat situation. I always thought a Purple Heart was for an injury sustained during combat, with the enemy, in a war zone.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2013 - 11:29AM #7
DotNotInOz
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I agree. This was not terrorism and certainly not combat. No Purple Hearts should be awarded.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2013 - 1:44PM #8
Fodaoson
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Purple Heart are for Combat wounds, In a war zone persons receiving non-combat wounds and injuries are NOT awarded purple  hearts even if the injury is in the line of duty i.e. seriously injury while working on equipment,  even confirmed friendly fire injuries do not qualify. IT is awarded post humous.


Some of the delay of Hasan’s trial is his civil rights, and his medical condition. He is paralyzed from the waist down as result of being wounded by gunshot while being apprehended.   Since Hasa is an American Soldier, wounded in the same incident by an other American soldier. If the soldiers wounded in the incident were to receive Purple hearts , Major Hasan would be eligible also.   Because he has not yet been adjudicated as guilty, he is still innocent until so proven. Our rule of constitutional law is a bummer for some  sometimes.   

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2013 - 2:05PM #9
Fodaoson
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Sorry, too much reliance on spellcheck and not editing. I corrected it, thanks  


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2013 - 2:55PM #10
Miraj
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Not terrorism, no Purple Hearts required.

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