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Flag mountain_man March 30, 2013 12:07 AM EDT
North Korea says they are at war with South Korea.

Is this guy for real, or is all this rhetoric for internal consumption? He could just be trying to impress his own people. Or he could be serious. Anyone have any insight on this?
Flag TemplarS March 30, 2013 1:18 AM EDT

I guess it's just bluster, but what do I know?


The only guy with any special insight seems to be Dennis Rodman.

Flag farragut March 30, 2013 10:15 AM EDT

All it will take is for one of his generals to take seriously his bluster. I hope we are seriously prepared to smash every decent target in his god-cursed country.

Flag Larosser March 30, 2013 12:12 PM EDT

Mar 30, 2013 -- 10:15AM, farragut wrote:


All it will take is for one of his generals to take seriously his bluster. I hope we are seriously prepared to smash every decent target in his god-cursed country.




Yeah, I am trying hard to find my buddhist nature on this, but what I REALLY want to say to Kim Jung Un is..."skin that smokewagon and see what happens."


La

Flag TemplarS March 30, 2013 7:43 PM EDT

The fact is, the North can basically do nothing to the US.


Start anything, they lose big time, and good riddance.


But they can pretty much devastate the South in the process.  That's 50 million people; the North can surely hit them with  their firepower, while it lasts.  Is that worth it?

Flag Larosser March 30, 2013 7:49 PM EDT

Mar 30, 2013 -- 7:43PM, TemplarS wrote:


The fact is, the North can basically do nothing to the US.


Start anything, they lose big time, and good riddance.


But they can pretty much devastate the South in the process.  That's 50 million people; the North can surely hit them with  their firepower, while it lasts.  Is that worth it?




TemplarS-


On a human level, war is rarely "worth it".  I'd hate to see the the individuals of the Korean peninsula - South AND North - experience that. I'd also hate to give an excuse for certain other parties to dip their wicks in the resulting chaos. That's what my better self says. And that's how I'd vote and promote. But none of it keeps me from wanting to thump KJU in the forehead. That's not modelling good buddhism, but there you have it. :)


 


La

Flag Ebon March 30, 2013 8:34 PM EDT

I suspect this is just sabre-rattling from KJU to impress his populace and assert his, still relatively new, power. I don't think it'll come to anything.

Flag mountain_man March 30, 2013 9:20 PM EDT

Most likely it is just bluster.... but this could get out of hand real fast. North Korea, especially the past 3 dictators, has made big noises like this and were then "paid off" with a couple ship loads of food or some kind of aid.

Flag rangerken March 30, 2013 9:38 PM EDT

What happens if this time there is no payoff... or better stated, bribe?


Ken

Flag mountain_man March 30, 2013 9:48 PM EDT

Who knows? This guy is unstable. It looks like there might not be a pay off this time. Even Russia, one of NK's few friends in the world, is getting tired of the games.


What's Seal Team 6 doing for the next week or so?Cool

Flag Nepenthe March 30, 2013 9:52 PM EDT

Mar 30, 2013 -- 9:48PM, mountain_man wrote:

What's Seal Team 6 doing for the next week or so?Cool




SEAL Team 6 Member Brett 'Shady' Shadle Killed, Another Injured in Freefall Training


 

Flag mountain_man March 30, 2013 10:27 PM EDT

Maybe next week then.


And, of course, I am not serious about this. Somehow we just have to get a bunch of world leaders to sit this guy down and give him a good talking to. No one wants to invade, or take away, his country. It's dirt poor and has no oil or good mineral deposits that are worth invading for. If he needs help, he just has to ask. I'm sure many nations, including South Korea, would send all he could use. Maybe even enough so that some might reach the poor in his country instead of just the party elite.

Flag TemplarS March 30, 2013 10:37 PM EDT

It's gotta be the Chinese to talk to them. They surely do not want a major war on their border, or the potential for thousands of refugees.  Their military can make it plain to the NK military than anything starts to go sour, there will be five million Chinese soldiers crossing the border to "keep the peace." 

Flag mountain_man March 31, 2013 12:06 AM EDT

Historically China has tried to invade what is now North Korea. The people in NK still don't like, or trust, the Chinese. The Russians had more to do with the Korean war than the Chinese. I think the Russians would have to do the talking, but China could also say something because of the refugee problem a war would cause.

Flag Aka_me March 31, 2013 2:16 AM EDT

Mar 30, 2013 -- 10:15AM, farragut wrote:

All it will take is for one of his generals to take seriously his bluster. I hope we are seriously prepared to smash every decent target in his god-cursed country.



you realize the United States plasters its underwear full every time it contemplates China's reaction don't you?


dates back to Vietnam days of getting Americans killed because of hamstringing our military in what amounts to bowing down before China.


no wait, we were bowing to China during the Korean war.


so when it comes to NKorea...


we're too busy bowing to China to do anything.

Flag mountain_man March 31, 2013 11:25 AM EDT

It appears that the South Koreans aren't taking this seriously. Their stock index is rising. Stocks always go down in times of trouble. One article said that North Korea "loves it's own propaganda." That goes along with my belief that this is mostly for internal consumption. He has to act the part of a ruler/god by talking tough.

Flag rangerken March 31, 2013 11:28 AM EDT

Mar 31, 2013 -- 11:25AM, mountain_man wrote:


It appears that the South Koreans aren't taking this seriously. Their stock index is rising. Stocks always go down in times of trouble. One article said that North Korea "loves it's own propaganda." That goes along with my belief that this is mostly for internal consumption. He has to act the part of a ruler/god by talking tough.




I hope you're right, MM. Unusual for a career soldier, I never served a tour in Korea so I don't have a 'feel' for the place like those who have spent a year or more there. I do know from many who have been there that it's a really lousy place to fight... well, every place is a lousy place to fight, just some more than others.


Hopefully, the 'kid' is just beating his chest to impress his followers/handlers/advisors/peasants... whatever.


Ken

Flag Belldandy March 31, 2013 3:29 PM EDT

This worries my family. But I think its April Fools joke? Hoping!


Flag jane2 March 31, 2013 9:39 PM EDT

Mar 31, 2013 -- 11:28AM, rangerken wrote:


Mar 31, 2013 -- 11:25AM, mountain_man wrote:


It appears that the South Koreans aren't taking this seriously. Their stock index is rising. Stocks always go down in times of trouble. One article said that North Korea "loves it's own propaganda." That goes along with my belief that this is mostly for internal consumption. He has to act the part of a ruler/god by talking tough.




I hope you're right, MM. Unusual for a career soldier, I never served a tour in Korea so I don't have a 'feel' for the place like those who have spent a year or more there. I do know from many who have been there that it's a really lousy place to fight... well, every place is a lousy place to fight, just some more than others.


Hopefully, the 'kid' is just beating his chest to impress his followers/handlers/advisors/peasants... whatever.


Ken




I/We hope so.

Flag Erey March 31, 2013 10:53 PM EDT

Typically when NK acts aggressive they get something (aid or something infastructure building) as an agreement not to act aggressive, not to resort to violence.  This is one way they get some of the extra aid or incentive is by rattling their saber and then getting a pay-off to behave.  Although sometimes they do strike.  It was a just a few short years ago they killed several S. Koreans by attacking a S. Korean base near the northern border. 

Flag Fodaoson April 1, 2013 12:00 AM EDT

We are at war with North Korea. There is ceasefire, an armistice, in place but no treaty creating solutions to the issues that caused the war.        

Flag Aka_me April 1, 2013 12:44 AM EDT

Mar 31, 2013 -- 11:25AM, mountain_man wrote:

It appears that the South Koreans aren't taking this seriously. Their stock index is rising. Stocks always go down in times of trouble. One article said that North Korea "loves it's own propaganda." That goes along with my belief that this is mostly for internal consumption. He has to act the part of a ruler/god by talking tough.



yes, internal consumption... same rablerousing the US has been doing for 30 years about Iran.

Flag d_p_m April 2, 2013 5:11 PM EDT

Mar 31, 2013 -- 3:29PM, Belldandy wrote:


This worries my family. But I think its April Fools joke? Hoping!




Probably not a joke, but probably it is not going to lead to much, other than more scary stories.

Flag rangerken April 10, 2013 10:46 AM EDT

This thread was moved from the Hot Topics Zone

Flag Karma_yeshe_dorje April 10, 2013 10:34 PM EDT

I had been following some of the technical details.


I used to get Liaoning TV from just north of the DPRK. That showed traditional authoritarian socialism.


The DPRK is China's buffer state, keeping United States capitalism off its border!


The north of the Korean peninsula is a cultural treasure in that it has preserved some national aspects that have been obliterated in the south.


The DPRK leadership is at its wits end over what to do to explain or communicate to the United States, its distress over provocative military action!


Because of long-term development of nuclear and rocket technology, the DPRK does have the deterrent that the USA and USSR went to such trouble to showcase during the Cold War. Pakistan and Iran worked with the DPRK to develop and test such capability. And the DPRK is an exporter of missiles, with clients throughout the third world.


Yes, the impressive ICBMs displayed last year, were mock-ups. But their tansporters were expensive pieces of hardware, not bought just for show! The DPRK's defensive nuclear umbrella is a work in progress. The low yields of their test detonations are because yield was thrown away to get the warheads miniaturised to fit on the rockets! True the guidance is inaccurate. But electrical and electronic infrastructure is very vulnerable to EMP.

Flag Karma_yeshe_dorje April 11, 2013 12:00 PM EDT

This doesn't seem to me a particularly high level of alert.

We advise you to reconsider your need to travel to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) due to the increasing tensions caused by DPRK threats against international interests and the warning issued by the DPRK regime to foreign embassies in Pyongyang that it could not guarantee the safety of diplomatic staff in the event of an emergency.


www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Adv...

Flag Mlyons619 April 12, 2013 1:50 AM EDT

Business as usual according to South Koreans.

Flag Karma_yeshe_dorje April 12, 2013 2:13 AM EDT

Don't worry about the DPRK.

It’s “not completely impossible” that North Korea could deliver a nuclear warhead to Australia — although the rogue state may not have the technical capacity to do so and would have no particular reason to target us, experts have told Crikey. And they’ve warned we should probably be more worried about a nuclear exchange elsewhere.


www.crikey.com.au/2013/04/12/could-north...

Flag Dostojevsky April 12, 2013 7:48 AM EDT

Something's going... all that show and all that noice..


what's going on behind the scenes I wonder.


Where's Carr proclaiming sanctions?

Flag Karma_yeshe_dorje April 12, 2013 8:36 AM EDT

The beat-up is Yank propaganda. What Yankistan has been doing with nukes for decades, was absolutely obscene!

Flag Mlyons619 April 13, 2013 6:04 PM EDT

Yes, a pint sized immature lil dictator needs the support of useful idiots in the West to help him prop up his obscene tyrannical reegime.

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