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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 4:42PM #1
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What's wrong with schools, that such things are allowed to happen?

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 8:30PM #2
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The school 'allowed it to happen'?  What, are they suppose to monitor the activities of10,000 students on a 24 hour basis?  The students were charged with felony hazing and then charged with manslaughter, so their actions were illegal.  Now, if you can show that the school knew of the incident and did nothing, or knew incidents have occured before with the band, then I will side with you.  But from the article, I see no issue from the school.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2013 - 9:35PM #3
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"The school 'allowed it to happen'?"


"The school" amounts to more than the office of the President and the Dean of students. It includes all of the instructional and administrative staff of the entire institution. Would you like to suggest that the people running the band are immune from knowing what goes on in the organization?

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 05, 2013 - 2:35AM #4
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Mar 4, 2013 -- 9:35PM, farragut wrote:


"The school 'allowed it to happen'?"


"The school" amounts to more than the office of the President and the Dean of students. It includes all of the instructional and administrative staff of the entire institution. Would you like to suggest that the people running the band are immune from knowing what goes on in the organization?





Other band member did not know what was happening;  hazing often starts as   horse play among friends and as an initiation into some group and gets out of hand.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 05, 2013 - 12:49PM #5
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I do not know to what extent FAMU administrators might have known about this practice beforehand.  But in all too many cases, college administrators tend to like to sweep things like this under the rug- until something bad happens.


But, not always. Here's a counter point:


www.cnn.com/2013/03/04/us/ohio-oberlin-h...


Oberlin College in Ohio suspended classes Monday after a student reported seeing a person resembling a Ku Klux Klan member near the college's Afrikan Heritage House. The sighting of the person wearing a white hood and robe was reported early Monday morning and follows a string of recent hate incidents on Oberlin's campus that have ignited shock and confusion among the student body.  The reported sighting of KKK regalia is the latest in a spate of incidents on Oberlin's campus. According to an incident report provided by the Oberlin Police Department, 15 hate-related events have been reported in the last month alone.


 

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 05, 2013 - 2:52PM #6
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Mar 5, 2013 -- 2:35AM, Fodaoson wrote:


Mar 4, 2013 -- 9:35PM, farragut wrote:


"The school 'allowed it to happen'?"


"The school" amounts to more than the office of the President and the Dean of students. It includes all of the instructional and administrative staff of the entire institution. Would you like to suggest that the people running the band are immune from knowing what goes on in the organization?




Other band member did not know what was happening;  hazing often starts as   horse play among friends and as an initiation into some group and gets out of hand.




Down here in Florida, we've been 'privileged' to get the gory details in the paper and on TV. MOST, if not ALL, of the other band members DID know about this. It largely took place on the bus, where he had to run the length while being clubbed and hit with paddles and sticks and punched with fists - repeatedly, to the point of unconsciousness.


And, not just those on the bus, since this was - oh how grievous it is to type this - a commonplace ritual. EVERY member of the  band was similarly hazed.


 


STOP apolgizing/excusing inexcusable behaviour. This is nothing but ASSAULT.


 


Have you NO sense of humanity?

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 05, 2013 - 2:54PM #7
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Mar 4, 2013 -- 9:35PM, farragut wrote:


"The school 'allowed it to happen'?"


"The school" amounts to more than the office of the President and the Dean of students. It includes all of the instructional and administrative staff of the entire institution. Would you like to suggest that the people running the band are immune from knowing what goes on in the organization?





Agreed.


 


When I went to university, the school was US - the students - ANd the faculty and staff.


 


ALL of those students knew. Shame on the lot of them.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 05, 2013 - 3:58PM #8
Erey
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Mar 5, 2013 -- 12:49PM, TemplarS wrote:


I do not know to what extent FAMU administrators might have known about this practice beforehand.  But in all too many cases, college administrators tend to like to sweep things like this under the rug- until something bad happens.


But, not always. Here's a counter point:


www.cnn.com/2013/03/04/us/ohio-oberlin-h...


Oberlin College in Ohio suspended classes Monday after a student reported seeing a person resembling a Ku Klux Klan member near the college's Afrikan Heritage House. The sighting of the person wearing a white hood and robe was reported early Monday morning and follows a string of recent hate incidents on Oberlin's campus that have ignited shock and confusion among the student body.  The reported sighting of KKK regalia is the latest in a spate of incidents on Oberlin's campus. According to an incident report provided by the Oberlin Police Department, 15 hate-related events have been reported in the last month alone.


 




Notice - Ohio is not part of the south

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 05, 2013 - 4:40PM #9
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Mar 5, 2013 -- 3:58PM, Erey wrote:


Notice - Ohio is not part of the south






What, you think extreme hazing only occurs in the south?


abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/l...


More than 20 fraternity members at Northern Illinois University are facing hazing charges after the death of a freshman last month.


Or that college administrations are all enlightened up north? Ever heard of what happened at Penn State?

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 05, 2013 - 4:42PM #10
Erey
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Mar 5, 2013 -- 4:40PM, TemplarS wrote:


Mar 5, 2013 -- 3:58PM, Erey wrote:


Notice - Ohio is not part of the south






What, you think extreme hazing only occurs in the south?


abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/l...


More than 20 fraternity members at Northern Illinois University are facing hazing charges after the death of a freshman last month.


Or that college administrations are all enlightened up north? Ever heard of what happened at Penn State?




Not so much the hazing but the part you referenced dressing up like KKK and menacing around a african american organization.

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