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2 years ago  ::  Dec 24, 2012 - 1:57PM #1
TPaine
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Two Webster firefighters are dead and several houses on Lake Road burned after a gunman opened fire on firefighters who responded to an early morning blaze, officials said.


Two other firefighters are in guarded condition at Strong Memorial Hospital with gunshot wounds, according to a hospital spokeswoman.


An off-duty Greece police officer who was driving near the scene was injured by shrapnel.


The dead are Lt. Mike Chiapperini, 43, a volunteer firefighter and the Webster Police Department’s public information officer, and Tomasz Kaczowka. Chiapperini led the fire department’s explorer program for high schoolers. Both men died at the scene. Kaczowka, in his early 20s, is also a 911 dispatcher.


“These people get up in the middle of the night to fight fires. They don’t expect to be shot and killed,” Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering said at a news conference just before noon.


The shooter was found dead outside the home where the shootings occurred, killed by an apparent gunshot wound.


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2 years ago  ::  Dec 24, 2012 - 2:37PM #2
loveontheair
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Hello,



This nut job served 17 years for beating his 92 year old mother to death. Why was this insane person released?


Yahoo says he set a trap for first responders. Very sad.



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2 years ago  ::  Dec 25, 2012 - 7:48AM #3
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Dec 24, 2012 -- 1:57PM, TPaine wrote:

Two Webster firefighters are dead and several houses on Lake Road burned after a gunman opened fire on firefighters who responded to an early morning blaze, officials said.



He was excercising his constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

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2 years ago  ::  Dec 25, 2012 - 1:59PM #4
mountain_man
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Dec 25, 2012 -- 7:48AM, shmuelgoldstein wrote:

He was exercising his constitutional right to keep and bear arms.


No, he was "standing his ground" according to the law.

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2 years ago  ::  Dec 25, 2012 - 2:15PM #5
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Dec 24, 2012 -- 2:37PM, loveontheair wrote:

This nut job served 17 years for beating his 92 year old mother to death. Why was this insane person released?



Presumably, he managed to convince the parole board that he had been successfully rehabilitated. Unfortunately the parole board are only human and they make mistakes sometimes.

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2 years ago  ::  Dec 25, 2012 - 2:22PM #6
IreneAdler
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Bit of an update:


 


usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/25/1612...=


 


The guy left a 3 page note “saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and “do what I like doing best, killing people.””


(from article)


Hafta wonder if the neighbors had any notion what this guy was planning. Gives me new concern about creepy neighbor next door. 


And now rescue authorities will have to concern themselves with ambush at the next emergency.  Despicable.


 


 


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2 years ago  ::  Dec 25, 2012 - 11:41PM #7
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From Irene's link:


Spengler was convicted of manslaughter in 1981 after the death of his grandmother, Rose Spengler, 92, and was paroled in 1998. He remained under parole supervision until 2006, the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle reported. Before Monday's shooting, Webster police hadn't had any run-ins with Spengler since he was paroled, they said.

Although Spengler couldn't legally own firearms as a convicted felon, police said he was armed with a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver, a 12-gauge pump shotgun and a Bushmaster .223 caliber rifle.

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2 years ago  ::  Dec 26, 2012 - 2:28AM #8
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Dec 24, 2012 -- 1:57PM, TPaine wrote:

... Two Webster firefighters are dead and several houses on Lake Road burned after a gunman opened fire on firefighters who responded to an early morning blaze, officials said... .



I had predicted at one point after the Newtown shooting that it will take 5000 American lives and 10 years to do the right thing: Repeal the Second Amendment.


Now it's holding at 4998 lives.

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2 years ago  ::  Dec 26, 2012 - 2:54PM #9
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Further demonstration of how little a foreigner understands our Constitution.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Dec 26, 2012 - 3:15PM #10
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Dec 25, 2012 -- 2:15PM, Ebon wrote:


Dec 24, 2012 -- 2:37PM, loveontheair wrote:

This nut job served 17 years for beating his 92 year old mother to death. Why was this insane person released?



Presumably, he managed to convince the parole board that he had been successfully rehabilitated. Unfortunately the parole board are only human and they make mistakes sometimes.





Mistakes happen when the law lets them happen.


He killed his grandmother with a hammer.  Manslaughter?  Hard to see what mitigating circumstances there might be to that.  Frigging lawyers.


You know, part of the debate around abolishing the death penalty has got to be assuring that people like this never get out.  If he rehabilitates himself, he can write childen's books from his jail cell.


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