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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 1:33AM #141
Miraj
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 12:42AM, in_my_opinion wrote:


For some, the massacres of a whole town of African-Americans is still within living memory. At least that wasn't done for reasons of state security by the national government, like Syria did. Now they taste the fruit of what they sowed when they killed.




The wiped out AA town referred to was known as Rosewood, FL.  The long and disturbing history of the lynchings and massacres of free Blacks by good Christian Whites, primarily in the South, but not limited to it, is a sad piece of history that few Americans know much about.  

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 2:04AM #142
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Deplorable actions in he past by various people, states, religions, groups etc, do not justify others doing the same thing today.


Ken

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 2:07AM #143
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 2:04AM, rangerken wrote:


Deplorable actions in he past by various people, states, religions, groups etc, do not justify others doing the same thing today.


Ken




It's never justified, but, there's also no excuse for allowing the media to dictate the focus of your outrage and the limits of your knowledge of what's going on in the world.  It's not just the past, either.  There are massacres going on right now that aren't getting the attention this does.  Do you  (generic "you") ever ask why, or do you just don't care?

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 2:46AM #144
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 2:04AM, rangerken wrote:


Deplorable actions in he past by various people, states, religions, groups etc, do not justify others doing the same thing today.


Ken



Guess its okay


because it wasn't yesterday

ey?


'cuz it ain't


yo' irreligion, just time's perdition


let's just forget it was,


bo's jes' be bo's,


time heals all heels,


jes' as soon another's guilt is fresher


We fergit they's all blood


Blood of our blood


Flesh of our flesh


Slave and slaver


Hound's sharp tooth and drool


an' the meat he eat be he own leg


and the soul he curse be


he own hard heart


pity 'em all


pity us all



 
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 2:48AM #145
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 2:07AM, Miraj wrote:


... there's also no excuse for allowing the media to dictate the focus of your outrage and the limits of your knowledge of what's going on in the world ...



No excuse? Excuse me...


The point here is, pointedly expressed, that savages don't have the qualifications to use the internet. It requires at least one semi-educated half-wit to beat them into a frenzy over a little heap of shit produced 8,000 miles away.


There is a reason why there exists such a discipline as journalism. Not everyone is capable of putting things into perspective, and certainly educated experts are more trustworthy than your local village Imam, or some Coptic buddy of Terry Jones.

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 2:48AM #146
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:29AM, Miraj wrote:


Sep 16, 2012 -- 10:38PM, Paravani wrote:


Only on the planet of Islam, apparently.  No other religion is so well-known for the execution of innocents for crimes committed by persons unknown.




A Christian organization known as the Catholic Church has hundreds of years of history killing innocents.  Christian on Christian violence between Catholics and Protestants during the Protestant Reformation.  A Christian organization known as the Church of England has a history of killing innocents.  As a half-Native American, my history is replete with incidents of violence against Natives in the New World in the name of Jesus.  A Christian organization known as the Ku Klux Klan has a history of killing innocents.  A Christian organization known as the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia massacred thousands of innocents in 1982.  900,000 innocents were raped and murdered during the civil war in 90% Christian Rwanda, 1994.  From 1992-1995 Christian Serbian armies massacred over 300,000 Muslims and committed the systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women.  International war crimes court convicted at least 30 soldiers and Serbian leaders of war crimes and genocide.  The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a Christian organization, continues to enslave children as sex slaves and child soldiers in Uganda, Sudan, Congo and the Central African Republic.


This doesn't include ongoing religious conflicts in India, Myammar and Burma where Hindu and Buddhist majorities are committing massacres of minority populations.


Not knowing your history makes you bound to repeat it . . . or, at least, it makes you sound ignorant on message boards.



Thank you, that needed to be said.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 3:05AM #147
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:29AM, Miraj wrote:


Sep 16, 2012 -- 10:38PM, Paravani wrote:


Only on the planet of Islam, apparently.  No other religion is so well-known for the execution of innocents for crimes committed by persons unknown.




A Christian organization known as the Catholic Church has hundreds of years of history killing innocents.  Christian on Christian violence between Catholics and Protestants during the Protestant Reformation.  A Christian organization known as the Church of England has a history of killing innocents.  As a half-Native American, my history is replete with incidents of violence against Natives in the New World in the name of Jesus.  A Christian organization known as the Ku Klux Klan has a history of killing innocents.  A Christian organization known as the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia massacred thousands of innocents in 1982.  900,000 innocents were raped and murdered during the civil war in 90% Christian Rwanda, 1994.  From 1992-1995 Christian Serbian armies massacred over 300,000 Muslims and committed the systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women.  International war crimes court convicted at least 30 soldiers and Serbian leaders of war crimes and genocide.  The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a Christian organization, continues to enslave children as sex slaves and child soldiers in Uganda, Sudan, Congo and the Central African Republic.


This doesn't include ongoing religious conflicts in India, Myammar and Burma where Hindu and Buddhist majorities are committing massacres of minority populations.


Not knowing your history makes you bound to repeat it . . . or, at least, it makes you sound ignorant on message boards.





They weren't really Christians. 

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 3:21AM #148
Miraj
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 3:05AM, Shusha wrote:


Sep 17, 2012 -- 1:29AM, Miraj wrote:


Sep 16, 2012 -- 10:38PM, Paravani wrote:


Only on the planet of Islam, apparently.  No other religion is so well-known for the execution of innocents for crimes committed by persons unknown.




A Christian organization known as the Catholic Church has hundreds of years of history killing innocents.  Christian on Christian violence between Catholics and Protestants during the Protestant Reformation.  A Christian organization known as the Church of England has a history of killing innocents.  As a half-Native American, my history is replete with incidents of violence against Natives in the New World in the name of Jesus.  A Christian organization known as the Ku Klux Klan has a history of killing innocents.  A Christian organization known as the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia massacred thousands of innocents in 1982.  900,000 innocents were raped and murdered during the civil war in 90% Christian Rwanda, 1994.  From 1992-1995 Christian Serbian armies massacred over 300,000 Muslims and committed the systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women.  International war crimes court convicted at least 30 soldiers and Serbian leaders of war crimes and genocide.  The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a Christian organization, continues to enslave children as sex slaves and child soldiers in Uganda, Sudan, Congo and the Central African Republic.


This doesn't include ongoing religious conflicts in India, Myammar and Burma where Hindu and Buddhist majorities are committing massacres of minority populations.


Not knowing your history makes you bound to repeat it . . . or, at least, it makes you sound ignorant on message boards.





They weren't really Christians. 




I agree.  Jesus would not approve.

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 3:25AM #149
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 2:48AM, CharikIeia wrote:


Sep 17, 2012 -- 2:07AM, Miraj wrote:


... there's also no excuse for allowing the media to dictate the focus of your outrage and the limits of your knowledge of what's going on in the world ...



No excuse? Excuse me...


The point here is, pointedly expressed, that savages don't have the qualifications to use the internet. It requires at least one semi-educated half-wit to beat them into a frenzy over a little heap of shit produced 8,000 miles away.


There is a reason why there exists such a discipline as journalism. Not everyone is capable of putting things into perspective, and certainly educated experts are more trustworthy than your local village Imam, or some Coptic buddy of Terry Jones.




Journalism is no longer a discipline; journalists are rarely experts.  I do agree that there are too many half-wits that allow what they see on the Internet to whip them up into a frenzy.  Message boards are full of them.

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 17, 2012 - 3:28AM #150
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Sep 17, 2012 -- 3:05AM, Shusha wrote:


They weren't really Christians. 



Fair enough. The one's who do harm to innocents are not really Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc either! That is the real lesson here.


You can call the devil an angel but he isn't one after he becomes an evildoer.  It doesn't matter what he used to be or what he calls himself. His own action belies him.
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