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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 2:52AM #101
in_my_opinion
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Yeah, we know all about bigotry, don't we.


It kills the innocent.


It writes fatwas faster than a syndicate boss can put out a contract, shamelessly and publicly!


It forces women into marriage, taking them away from their real husbands and children because their marriage is not recognized in that land.


It rapes virgins so that they can be executed without breaking law.


It denies many of the rights guaranteed by the Qur'an.


It fights over the right to rape a young boy.


It tears up whole cemeteries and digs up people's graves.


It beats women on the street.


It stones wives who have been raped but unable to prove themselves innocent of adultery.


It robs fellow Muslims (or Jews, or Christians) of their stash of liquor only to guzzle it down behind the constabulary while not letting "a drop touch their lip"; well, until they get drunk anyway, and then they are guiltless because they aren't in their right minds anymore.


It punishes young folks who get together innocently and then turns around and makes a night or ten minutes of "temporary marriage" acceptable instead for a little fee to the local cleric.


But then a woman or girl who does this perfectly "moral" legitimate deed out of poverty or starvation can never expect to marry a "respectable man", if any at all, and ends up doing it as a profession until she ends up an old crone scrubbing clothes on the "charity" of some other arrogant abuser besides the local mullah.


It lets a patriach decapitate family members with impunity and carry out other forms of summary justice like amputations.


It runs kidnappings of the recalcitrant family's children and holds them until they sell off all they own, and can borrow from relatives, in the hopes of maybe lowering themselves enough to get their children back in some shape, someday maybe one at a time.


It murders minorities, or even their own fellow highest clergy extrajudicially as a matter of routine. (Like that word "extrajudicially" it sound so official!)


It continuously bullies those it gets tired of killing.


It bans people from getting college educations.


It deliberately and as a matter of policy encourages the bullying of young children by their classmates.


It goes to families demanding the price of the bullets with which they have killed dad, empty cartridge casings in hand, to prove how many it took until he died.


 


 


There is no end to it. It is tiring and we should, as you say, quit being negative.


Every one of these has happened with proof, many repeatedly and proudly attested by the perpetrators themselves, sometimes with open praise from officialdom witnessed by everybody there.


We're being oversensitive, aren't we?


Would to God that these were not true occurrences! But sadly they're factual.


Some of them are the habits of only one culture or sect like suicide-murder others have preference for torturing to death instead, some like temporary marriage and asking for bullet costs, some like stoning are more general.


 


 


 


Yeah, tell us about our bigotry while we weep for our fellow human beings.


Both for the victims who find God's love tenderly awaiting them and the cruel who wil meet God's wrath both in this world and the next.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 3:20AM #102
in_my_opinion
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Oh, Miraj, have done the same thing.


It could have been you went to the profile without logging in.


This one's profile is no more closed than yours is.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 12:28PM #103
Miraj
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Aug 20, 2012 -- 3:20AM, in_my_opinion wrote:


Oh, Miraj, have done the same thing.


It could have been you went to the profile without logging in.


This one's profile is no more closed than yours is.




FYI, I'm logged in.  Clicking your profile takes me to this:


Due to privacy restrictions, you cannot see this user's full profile.

Disclaimer: The opinions of this member are not primarily informed by western ethnocentric paradigms, stereotypes rooted in anti-Muslim/Islam hysteria, "Israel can do no wrong" intransigence, or the perceived need to protect the Judeo-Christian world from invading foreign religions and legal concepts.  By expressing such views, no inherent attempt is being made to derail or hijack threads, but that may be the result.  The result is not the responsibility of this member.


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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 3:30PM #104
in_my_opinion
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Aug 20, 2012 -- 12:28PM, Miraj wrote:


Aug 20, 2012 -- 3:20AM, in_my_opinion wrote:


Oh, Miraj, have done the same thing.


It could have been you went to the profile without logging in.


This one's profile is no more closed than yours is.




FYI, I'm logged in.  Clicking your profile takes me to this:


Due to privacy restrictions, you cannot see this user's full profile.



Don't know what to tell you; have seen that from time to time, too.


Just know that have not restricted anything. Perhaps a moderator can explain what's going on?

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 6:39PM #105
Erey
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Aug 19, 2012 -- 11:42PM, Miraj wrote:


Ayaan Hirsi Ali's lies exposed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho3BpnpAagQ


To continue the video:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n6r7H988Tc&play...


and 


www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdpOd9KioM&list...



Enjoy!




you know, I did watch the first link, I find the video to be of appaulling quality and obvious propaganda.  This was clearly a smear piece and only an uneducated person or an appologist would feel the need to believe it.


I was so unimpressed with the first video that I will decline to view the other videos posted. 


I am not a particular Ali devotee nor do I consider her a paragon of virtue. There might be some problems with her story but only a fool would form their oppinion from that ridiculous video you posted. 


Regardless her story is echoed by women all over the world but sadly most especially in the Islamic world.  Now they are calling for the death of a young Pakistani girl who is accused of burning a Koran.  There is some question to the mental state of this girl, that she is disabled.  But that does not stop people from calling for her death.


The Pakistani politician who tried to get rid of the blasphemy laws was murdered by his own people because he dared think about the minority religious population with compassion. 

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 8:34PM #106
Miraj
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It's hardly propaganda when, Ali, the subject of the documentary admits that the charges in it are true, as imo acknowledged.  


It's also not a piece of poor quality.  It was produced by the Dutch version of PBS and ran on Dutch tv as an investigative piece.


One does not have to be a fool to believe it, since it's true.


However, it's more than a little disengenuous to claim that someone need be a fool to believe that piece, then launch into a diatribe about something you read about a Pakistani girl.  Maybe that's a propaganda piece.  How would you know it's not?  Maybe you need to be a fool to believe it.


Stories like this are fodder for gullible minds.  Frankly, half the time, the media gets it wrong.  They speculate and inject gossip, and so much of the time, because they and the general public rarely follow up on such stories, but I do, I know the punishments never happen and the whole thing was trumped up.


Aug 20, 2012 -- 6:39PM, Erey wrote:


you know, I did watch the first link, I find the video to be of appaulling quality and obvious propaganda.  This was clearly a smear piece and only an uneducated person or an appologist would feel the need to believe it.


I was so unimpressed with the first video that I will decline to view the other videos posted. 


I am not a particular Ali devotee nor do I consider her a paragon of virtue. There might be some problems with her story but only a fool would form their oppinion from that ridiculous video you posted. 


Regardless her story is echoed by women all over the world but sadly most especially in the Islamic world.  Now they are calling for the death of a young Pakistani girl who is accused of burning a Koran.  There is some question to the mental state of this girl, that she is disabled.  But that does not stop people from calling for her death.


The Pakistani politician who tried to get rid of the blasphemy laws was murdered by his own people because he dared think about the minority religious population with compassion. 





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10 months ago  ::  Aug 20, 2012 - 11:12PM #107
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Aug 20, 2012 -- 3:30PM, in_my_opinion wrote:

Don't know what to tell you; have seen that from time to time, too.


Just know that have not restricted anything. Perhaps a moderator can explain what's going on?



It seems to be a problem with Bnet's platform software. The privacy on/off flag isn't getting adjusted properly.

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2012 - 1:23AM #108
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Aug 20, 2012 -- 11:12PM, Ebon wrote:


Aug 20, 2012 -- 3:30PM, in_my_opinion wrote:

Don't know what to tell you; have seen that from time to time, too.


Just know that have not restricted anything. Perhaps a moderator can explain what's going on?



It seems to be a problem with Bnet's platform software. The privacy on/off flag isn't getting adjusted properly.





Thanks, Ebon!


There's also a jumbling of the top two lines below the top ad margin with other stuff that makes it hard to go to our profiles, home and inbox when we come to Beliefnet, to the main page.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2012 - 8:39AM #109
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There is no end to it. It is tiring and we should, as you say, quit being negative.


Every one of these has happened with proof, many repeatedly and proudly attested by the perpetrators themselves, sometimes with open praise from officialdom witnessed by everybody there.


We're being oversensitive, aren't we?


Would to God that these were not true occurrences! But sadly they're factual.


Some of them are the habits of only one culture or sect like suicide-murder others have preference for torturing to death instead, some like temporary marriage and asking for bullet costs, some like stoning are more general.



You jumble all kinds of things  together  that have nothing to do with each other. I am sure you could make a long list of positive things too, with the proper perspective.


You see according to how you look.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2012 - 11:11AM #110
in_my_opinion
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Aug 21, 2012 -- 8:39AM, arielg wrote:


You jumble all kinds of things  together  that have nothing to do with each other.



They were all done in countries where the religion of rule was Islam, by fanatics who were expressing the supremacy of their own personal beliefs, which they falsely claim is Islam, through oppression, persecution and/or discrimination, on vulnerable/innocent people almost always a minority. That's six shared characteristics.


Wouldn't it be fair to say they have at least  all these things "... to do with each other."?


I am sure you could make a long list of positive things too, with the proper perspective.



Yes, that's perfectly true but not in support of a contention that the form of bigotry one might interpret herein can't hold a candle to the genocidal and "ethnic cleansing" intensity of what was listed among those described.


You see according to how you look.



That is a usually fair generalization. However, there are plenty of exceptions and as is often true, not wholly and absolutely true. Christ for instance used some hard language and of course He Is completely justified. His eyes did not stop being loving because He pointed out what needed to change. That means that we can stand up against injustice and cruelty.

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