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5 years ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 9:32PM #51
mecdukebec
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:26PM, Ironhold wrote:


Jun 28, 2012 -- 8:00PM, arielg wrote:


What is stupid about it? There are millions of people who did not have or want health insurance, for whatever reason and now they are forced to buy it  from the insurance monopoly. Millions of new customers that the industry did not have before. Why wouldn't they be happy?




In my case, the law's made me a criminal.


I have 18 months to either get rich enough to afford health care or kick the bucket.


Otherwise, they sic the IRS after me.




Histrionics and wild claims aside, criminality is determined by a court, exercising its criminal, as opposed to the civil, bench.  Maybe listening less to Rush, and giving more attention to your health care concerns, and a health-care exchange, or the federal one which will provide care, in the alternate, will guide you, at least in regard of presenting Wingoclaims then making them constructive reality.

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 9:46PM #52
Habala?!
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:26PM, Ironhold wrote:


Jun 28, 2012 -- 8:00PM, arielg wrote:


What is stupid about it? There are millions of people who did not have or want health insurance, for whatever reason and now they are forced to buy it  from the insurance monopoly. Millions of new customers that the industry did not have before. Why wouldn't they be happy?




In my case, the law's made me a criminal.


I have 18 months to either get rich enough to afford health care or kick the bucket.


Otherwise, they sic the IRS after me.





What do we have here? A conservative complaining about having to pull himself up by his own bootstraps?

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 9:58PM #53
mecdukebec
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:46PM, Habala?! wrote:


Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:26PM, Ironhold wrote:


Jun 28, 2012 -- 8:00PM, arielg wrote:


What is stupid about it? There are millions of people who did not have or want health insurance, for whatever reason and now they are forced to buy it  from the insurance monopoly. Millions of new customers that the industry did not have before. Why wouldn't they be happy?




In my case, the law's made me a criminal.


I have 18 months to either get rich enough to afford health care or kick the bucket.


Otherwise, they sic the IRS after me.





What do we have here? A conservative complaining about having to pull himself up ny his own bootstraps?




I think that Wingoism has become unhinged, and thus, Wingy.  I don't know how to resolve these contradictions, short of a war on little, brown people who don't know the Lord Jesus, and a budget that doesn't take into account $1 trillion in unfunded expenses. 

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 10:42PM #54
mountain_man
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:26PM, Ironhold wrote:

In my case, the law's made me a criminal.


No, the "law" has ended your free ride. Now you no longer get to force others to pay for your medical care. Your days of being a drain on society are numbered.

Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.   Isaac Asimov
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5 years ago  ::  Jun 29, 2012 - 1:43AM #55
solfeggio
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So, is this Obamacare a good thing for Americans, or a bad thing? 


I didn't know what it was all about, so I did a little Googling, and I found that people responding in blogs, etc. were about equally divided as to whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.


Does this mean that all Americans have to buy health insurance or they won't be treated by doctors?  Wouldn't that be kind of expensive for a lot of people?  Health insurance premiums aren't cheap.


This all just sounds like something dreamed up by insurance companies.


And why should people have to pay a penalty if they don't have health insurance?  Sounds kind of draconian.


But why come up with all these complicated arrangements anyway?  Why doesn't America simply copy the British-style system?  It has many advantages.  Under universal care you take more responsibility for your own health, and learn how to monitor and care for your body.  You see fewer specialists because your GP treats a wide range of problems.  And there is a lot more after-hours coverage.


 

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 29, 2012 - 8:35AM #56
TemplarS
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Jun 29, 2012 -- 1:43AM, solfeggio wrote:


So, is this Obamacare a good thing for Americans, or a bad thing? 






Solf, it's a big band-aid.


It corrects some of the most serious possibities for abuse by the insurance companies: pre-existing condition exclusions, recision, lifetime caps.


It will close the hole in the enormous number of Americans with no health insurance.


But it does nothing to correct the structural problems, inefficiencies, and outright thievery associated with the health care industry which lead to such ridiculously high costs.  It was banged out in conjunction with health care special interests and insurance companies, so those people will not be expected to have to tighten their belts. It does nothing to reform malpractice regulations. It still assumes the primary burden for providing heath insurance should lie with employers, which is an anachromism at best and a conflict of interest at worst.


In short: it is assuredly not an "Affordable" care act.


But it is an improvement. As I said in an earlier post, it is only the first step.

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 29, 2012 - 9:07AM #57
Nepenthe
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:12PM, mountain_man wrote:


This is the worst decision ever! It's horrible, now people will be able to afford medical insurance. We all know where this is headed and that has some people really scared; the end of the insurance companies. With their demise we will end up with single payer health care. And without those giant health insurance companies donating millions of dollars to Regressives, they'll lose some of their grip on society. They won't like that.




Given what has just happened over the past couple of years, why on Earth would any pol think of bringing up single-payer health care?  Especially since no one in the upper levels of political leadership made any effort to bring up single-payer this time around, even though it had public support.   No, I do not think we will see single-payer for at least several administrations, thanks to ACA

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 29, 2012 - 9:10AM #58
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The average American Citizen wants *FREE*Health*Care* and DOESN'T really CARE how it is PAID for as long as (s)he can be cared for and doesn't cost the Patient much, if anything ... 


Jun 29, 2012 -- 1:43AM, solfeggio wrote:


So, is this Obamacare a good thing for Americans, or a bad thing? 


I didn't know what it was all about, so I did a little Googling, and I found that people responding in blogs, etc. were about equally divided as to whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.


Does this mean that all Americans have to buy health insurance or they won't be treated by doctors?  Wouldn't that be kind of expensive for a lot of people?  Health insurance premiums aren't cheap.


This all just sounds like something dreamed up by insurance companies.


And why should people have to pay a penalty if they don't have health insurance?  Sounds kind of draconian.


But why come up with all these complicated arrangements anyway?  Why doesn't America simply copy the British-style system?  It has many advantages.  Under universal care you take more responsibility for your own health, and learn how to monitor and care for your body.  You see fewer specialists because your GP treats a wide range of problems.  And there is a lot more after-hours coverage.


 





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5 years ago  ::  Jun 29, 2012 - 9:25AM #59
Ironhold
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:46PM, Habala?! wrote:


Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:26PM, Ironhold wrote:


Jun 28, 2012 -- 8:00PM, arielg wrote:


What is stupid about it? There are millions of people who did not have or want health insurance, for whatever reason and now they are forced to buy it  from the insurance monopoly. Millions of new customers that the industry did not have before. Why wouldn't they be happy?




In my case, the law's made me a criminal.


I have 18 months to either get rich enough to afford health care or kick the bucket.


Otherwise, they sic the IRS after me.




What do we have here? A conservative complaining about having to pull himself up by his own bootstraps?



It's called "no American citizen should be forced to accept government money to keep in line with government obligations."


The whole situation is inherently FUBAR.


If you can't see that, you need to step back and find another perspective.

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 29, 2012 - 9:27AM #60
Ironhold
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 10:42PM, mountain_man wrote:


Jun 28, 2012 -- 9:26PM, Ironhold wrote:

In my case, the law's made me a criminal.


No, the "law" has ended your free ride. Now you no longer get to force others to pay for your medical care. Your days of being a drain on society are numbered.




...except, I haven't been to a doctor since '08, and when I went I paid out of my own pocket.


And before that, I last went in 2005... when I still had an active policy in effect.


So how am I taking a "free ride"?

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