Jun 22, 2012 -- 9:06AM, TemplarS wrote:

Surely there is more to it than that.

Not really.

You see, the "No on 8" crowd launched an absolutely massive disinformation campaign accusing the church of being the driving force behind Proposition 8. The centerpoint of this campaign was a television ad which showed two LDS missionaries entering the house of a lesbian couple, tearing up their marriage certificate, and confiscating their wedding rings.

Because of this, a lot of liberals and gay-rights supporters mistakenly believe that Prop 8 was all on the church, and that the only reason why it passed was because the church used a large sum of money to ram-rod it through.

In reality, the "No" crowd always had the edge in fund-raising. Not only did the "No" crowd raise more money in the first place, they raised more out-of-state money, too. What's more, while most of the in-state "Yes" money came from all over the state, the bulk of the "No" money came from LA and SanFran.

That's right - the "No" types just couldn't deal with the prospect that a coalition had formed against gay marriage (it's my understanding that at least one African-American organization actually launched the effort) and that the majority of California citizens were in favor of 8, so in response they just lied through their teeth about the matter.

Yeah.

Jun 21, 2012 -- 5:51PM, TemplarS wrote:

Some really interesting things in here:

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/21/bias-a...

Bias against a Mormon presidential candidate hasn’t budged in 45 years, with 18% of Americans saying they would not vote for a well-qualified candidate who happened to be Mormon, according to a Gallup Poll released Thursday.

Gallup first asked Americans about support for a Mormon presidential candidate in 1967 when Romney’s father, George Romney, was running for president. That year, 17% of Americans said they would not vote for a well-qualified Mormon for president.

“The stability of resistance to a Mormon presidential candidate over the past 45 years is an anomaly,” Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport wrote in a survey report, noting that “resistance to a candidate who is black, a woman, or Jewish has declined substantially over the same period of time.”

Most surprising: unlike many other aspects of bigotry- this one seems stronger among Democrats and independents:

Bias against a Mormon candidate is significantly higher among Democrats and independents than among Republicans, Gallup found.

Twenty-four percent of Democrats and 18% of independents said they would not vote for a well-qualified Mormon who was nominated by their party, while 10% of Republicans expressed such opposition.

I would venture that Democrats’ bias against a Mormon Presidential candidate might have something to do with some of the dubious beliefs that seem to be part and parcel of the Mormon faith. Frankly, all I know about Mormonism is what I’ve learned from “South Park”--and I suspect that I am not so different from most Democrats in this. To my mind, the story begins to fall apart when Joseph Smith claimed to have found some gold tablets buried in the woods.

Jun 22, 2012 -- 11:05AM, mindis1 wrote:

Jun 21, 2012 -- 5:51PM, TemplarS wrote:

Some really interesting things in here:

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/21/bias-a...

Bias against a Mormon presidential candidate hasn’t budged in 45 years, with 18% of Americans saying they would not vote for a well-qualified candidate who happened to be Mormon, according to a Gallup Poll released Thursday.

Gallup first asked Americans about support for a Mormon presidential candidate in 1967 when Romney’s father, George Romney, was running for president. That year, 17% of Americans said they would not vote for a well-qualified Mormon for president.

“The stability of resistance to a Mormon presidential candidate over the past 45 years is an anomaly,” Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport wrote in a survey report, noting that “resistance to a candidate who is black, a woman, or Jewish has declined substantially over the same period of time.”

Most surprising: unlike many other aspects of bigotry- this one seems stronger among Democrats and independents:

Bias against a Mormon candidate is significantly higher among Democrats and independents than among Republicans, Gallup found.

Twenty-four percent of Democrats and 18% of independents said they would not vote for a well-qualified Mormon who was nominated by their party, while 10% of Republicans expressed such opposition.

I would venture that Democrats’ bias against a Mormon Presidential candidate might have something to do with some of the dubious beliefs that seem to be part and parcel of the Mormon faith. Frankly, all I know about Mormonism is what I’ve learned from “South Park”--and I suspect that I am not so different from most Democrats in this. To my mind, the story begins to fall apart when Joseph Smith claimed to have found some gold tablets buried in the woods.

Mormons also worship two gods with physical bodies, God and Jesus Christ; Jesus is the product of a union with the goddess, who is Heavenly Father's wife.  Only Holy Ghost is non-physical.

If that sounds like classical paganism, i.e. worshiping gods and goddesses, "Bingo."

Jun 22, 2012 -- 11:05AM, mindis1 wrote:

Jun 21, 2012 -- 5:51PM, TemplarS wrote:

Some really interesting things in here:

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/21/bias-a...

Bias against a Mormon presidential candidate hasn’t budged in 45 years, with 18% of Americans saying they would not vote for a well-qualified candidate who happened to be Mormon, according to a Gallup Poll released Thursday.

Gallup first asked Americans about support for a Mormon presidential candidate in 1967 when Romney’s father, George Romney, was running for president. That year, 17% of Americans said they would not vote for a well-qualified Mormon for president.

“The stability of resistance to a Mormon presidential candidate over the past 45 years is an anomaly,” Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport wrote in a survey report, noting that “resistance to a candidate who is black, a woman, or Jewish has declined substantially over the same period of time.”

Most surprising: unlike many other aspects of bigotry- this one seems stronger among Democrats and independents:

Bias against a Mormon candidate is significantly higher among Democrats and independents than among Republicans, Gallup found.

Twenty-four percent of Democrats and 18% of independents said they would not vote for a well-qualified Mormon who was nominated by their party, while 10% of Republicans expressed such opposition.

I would venture that Democrats’ bias against a Mormon Presidential candidate might have something to do with some of the dubious beliefs that seem to be part and parcel of the Mormon faith. Frankly, all I know about Mormonism is what I’ve learned from “South Park”--and I suspect that I am not so different from most Democrats in this. To my mind, the story begins to fall apart when Joseph Smith claimed to have found some gold tablets buried in the woods.

The only thing that is really crazy seeming about Mormonism is the time aspect . We have no problem respecting Muslims and they believe back in the 3rd century Mohammad rode a winged creature to heaven or the Catholics who believe Mary was taken whole bodied up to heaven to avoid experiencing death.  These events are slated to happen so long ago and in far away exotic places.  counter that with Mormons who claim it happened only like 100 years ago and in Missouri. 

Would liberals tolerate anyone who disparaged or voted against a muslim candidate?  Hell no.  But they will against a Mormon, which of course I find just shamefull

Jun 22, 2012 -- 12:50PM, wohali wrote:

A candidates religion doesn't make one whit of difference to me.

Their stance on issues does.

I also don't really care about gender, hair color, how many kids they may have or what TV shows they like.

It's their stance on issues.

 

Dear Lord! Don't you know there's no room for rational thought in American politics?