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2 years ago  ::  Jul 17, 2012 - 9:59PM #221
Ironhold
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 8:10PM, li47 wrote:

Ironhold, can you explain what misery and inconvenience this has caused your congregation? I looked at the google map, and satellite view, and I see a road that while a dead end, has 4 access points onto it from other arteries.



It's a residential area, and so with people parking in the street the road is, effectively, only a single lane; even the strip between the parking lot and the intersection with Diane can have severe traffic flow issues when church lets out.


What's more, the intersection of Virginia and Diane is a school bus stop. If the bus drivers take the intersection from the wrong direction then they have to U-turn in the church's parking lot. Given that the busses run through that area at the same time seminary goes on, there's always a risk of a bus and a kid colliding.


Also, Keb asked a reasonable question regarding any record that would confirm your assertion - for example, city council minutes. Are there any available?



Up until just recently, the entire city council has made it a point to keep everything illegal firmly off the record unless they could arrange for a kangaroo court to conceal everything.


In other words, given that the entire city council was packed with anti-Mormons at the time, this was a back room deal.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 17, 2012 - 11:18PM #222
li47
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Hmm, from your description, it sounds as the local residents might have to deal with the bulk of the inconvenience.


Up until just recently, the entire city council has made it a point to keep everything illegal firmly off the record unless they could arrange for a kangaroo court to conceal everything.

In other words, given that the entire city council was packed with anti-Mormons at the time, this was a back room deal.


This sounds as if it's pure speculation on your part, then.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 17, 2012 - 11:42PM #223
Ironhold
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:18PM, li47 wrote:

Hmm, from your description, it sounds as the local residents might have to deal with the bulk of the inconvenience.

Up until just recently, the entire city council has made it a point to keep everything illegal firmly off the record unless they could arrange for a kangaroo court to conceal everything. In other words, given that the entire city council was packed with anti-Mormons at the time, this was a back room deal.


This sounds as if it's pure speculation on your part, then.



Actually, up until a few mayors ago the town was just that corrupt; anyone who didn't participate in the "good-old-boy" network was eliminated as soon as feasible. There was even a major scandal a few years ago in which the city council hauled the mayor in front of a kangaroo court (led by a city councilman who had just recently threatened his own staffers with a gun) based on a made-up charge just so they could throw him out and force a new election in the hopes that one of their own would get the seat.


I've spoken with members who were around when the building was established, and every last one of them has come up with that as the general conclusion: when the city council realized that they couldn't stop the church from being built, they halted the road construction out of spite.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 2:00AM #224
Habala?!
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:42PM, Ironhold wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:18PM, li47 wrote:

Hmm, from your description, it sounds as the local residents might have to deal with the bulk of the inconvenience.

Up until just recently, the entire city council has made it a point to keep everything illegal firmly off the record unless they could arrange for a kangaroo court to conceal everything. In other words, given that the entire city council was packed with anti-Mormons at the time, this was a back room deal.


This sounds as if it's pure speculation on your part, then.



Actually, up until a few mayors ago the town was just that corrupt; anyone who didn't participate in the "good-old-boy" network was eliminated as soon as feasible. There was even a major scandal a few years ago in which the city council hauled the mayor in front of a kangaroo court (led by a city councilman who had just recently threatened his own staffers with a gun) based on a made-up charge just so they could throw him out and force a new election in the hopes that one of their own would get the seat.


I've spoken with members who were around when the building was established, and every last one of them has come up with that as the general conclusion: when the city council realized that they couldn't stop the church from being built, they halted the road construction out of spite.




People say you're speculating and you offer anecdotes to prove you're not?


Wow, just wow.


You see an anti-Mormon conspiracy under every rock.You seem to think that all non-Mormons are anti-Mormons.


Sources, Iron, sources. Credible ones, which means not you and your anecdotes.




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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 9:33AM #225
mecdukebec
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Jul 18, 2012 -- 2:00AM, Habala?! wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:42PM, Ironhold wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:18PM, li47 wrote:

Hmm, from your description, it sounds as the local residents might have to deal with the bulk of the inconvenience.

Up until just recently, the entire city council has made it a point to keep everything illegal firmly off the record unless they could arrange for a kangaroo court to conceal everything. In other words, given that the entire city council was packed with anti-Mormons at the time, this was a back room deal.


This sounds as if it's pure speculation on your part, then.



Actually, up until a few mayors ago the town was just that corrupt; anyone who didn't participate in the "good-old-boy" network was eliminated as soon as feasible. There was even a major scandal a few years ago in which the city council hauled the mayor in front of a kangaroo court (led by a city councilman who had just recently threatened his own staffers with a gun) based on a made-up charge just so they could throw him out and force a new election in the hopes that one of their own would get the seat.


I've spoken with members who were around when the building was established, and every last one of them has come up with that as the general conclusion: when the city council realized that they couldn't stop the church from being built, they halted the road construction out of spite.




People say you're speculating and you offer anecdotes to prove you're not?


Wow, just wow.


You see an anti-Mormon conspiracy under every rock.You seem to think that all non-Mormons are anti-Mormons.


Sources, Iron, sources. Credible ones, which means not you and your anecdotes.







Maybe a way to blame McConkie for this case of aporia is in order?  Wink

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