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12 months ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 7:27PM #11
IreneAdler
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Still doesn’t identify who discharged the weapon.


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12 months ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 7:28PM #12
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And doesn't help if someone has ditched the gun.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 7:55PM #13
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So, then, are the people posting here who own guns basically denigrating the microstamping technology as useless?  


Are they saying that they have a problem with evolving forensic scientific methods such as microstamping that are not only simple and effective, but cost effective?


Microstamping offers the opportunity for police to generatic leads when a weapon is not recovered at a crime scene.  And a peer-reviewed independent study from the U.S. Department of Justice and the National Academy of Science confirmed that it not only works, but that it really is an important tool for law enforement.


www.marketwatch.com/story/new-study-prov...


 

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 8:00PM #14
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 7:55PM, solfeggio wrote:


So, then, are the people posting here who own guns basically denigrating the microstamping technology as useless?  


Are they saying that they have a problem with evolving forensic scientific methods such as microstamping that are not only simple and effective, but cost effective?


Microstamping offers the opportunity for police to generatic leads when a weapon is not recovered at a crime scene.  And a peer-reviewed independent study from the U.S. Department of Justice and the National Academy of Science confirmed that it not only works, but that it really is an important tool for law enforement.


www.marketwatch.com/story/new-study-prov...


 




You still need the gun...

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 8:17PM #15
IreneAdler
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Doesn’t this technology presume the shooter is the registered owner of gun? Otherwise, how does this technology help identify who committed the crime?


And doesn’t this technology put the registered owner in the uncomfortable position of having to prove he/she did not discharge the weapon?


 


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12 months ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 8:35PM #16
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I suspect that for most of us around the country, our guns are not registered. There is no requirement for that.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 15, 2012 - 8:50AM #17
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This technology would be useful but neither universally applicable nor conclusive proof in court.


As opposed to matching gun and bullet after the fact, which is what traditional ballistics testing does, this would allow law enforcement to identify a specific gun without having the gun.


So in Stardove's case, the gun would trace to her, the police would show up.  She might at first be a suspect, but she would also be able to give the police other leads- for example, the names of the people she suspected might have taken the gun. They would then have to track down those leads. Nothing conclusive yet, but these leads often turn up other leads- the police now have more names to check out.


This is how most police work happens.  Sifting through leads and a lot of footwork, not some Abby in the crime lab magically turning up conclusive evidence.  The more leads the better chance of solving the thing.


 

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 15, 2012 - 10:33AM #18
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 8:35PM, farragut wrote:


I suspect that for most of us around the country, our guns are not registered. There is no requirement for that.




Certainly not here in Wyoming. You have to go through a background check for the commercial purchase of a firearm. (but not a private purchase.)


But, no registration required once you own the firearm. 

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 15, 2012 - 9:39PM #19
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There is no national firearms registration in the U.S.  But, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, there are nearly 300 million firearms in circulation in the U.S. The NRA gives approximately this same figure.


Of all these guns, perhaps 200 million are registered.


wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_registered_f...


Of these, 100 million would be handguns.


These figures make the U.S. the most armed country, with 90 guns per hundred people.


www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-wo...


It's hard to find exact figures for firearms in America, but if two thirds of the guns in circulation are indeed registered with some office somewhere, then I would think that microstamping would certainly be worth using when one of those guns is used in a crime.


 

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 16, 2012 - 10:30AM #20
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 7:55PM, solfeggio wrote:


So, then, are the people posting here who own guns basically denigrating the microstamping technology as useless?  


Are they saying that they have a problem with evolving forensic scientific methods such as microstamping that are not only simple and effective, but cost effective?





They aren't saying it's useless. They are saying it's problematic. You need to get your ideas straight.


 

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