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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 7:09PM #1
TPaine
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According to the Commission, there are “some indicators of racial bias” in how the laws have been implemented. From the release:

    Data compiled by the Wall Street Journal shows a near-doubling of justifiable homicides from 2005-2011 in states where SYG [Stand Your Ground] has passed. Moreover, their data shows that while white killers of black victims comprises only 3.1% of all homicides, such cross-racial killing constitute 15.6% of justifiable homicides.

A separate study by the FBI found “34% of cases involving a white shooter killing a black person were deemed as a justifiable homicide. Meanwhile, in similar situations, when the shooter was black and the victim was white, the homicide was ruled justifiable only 3.3% of the time.” Link
"It is always to be taken for granted, that those who oppose an equality of rights never mean the exclusion should take place on themselves." -- Thomas Paine: Dissertations on First Principles of Government (July 7, 1795)
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 7:47PM #2
REteach
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Why am I so not surprised? (and I'm white...)

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 8:25PM #3
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Unfortunately I am not surprised either. Saddened, but not surprised. And I too and white.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 8:37PM #4
arielg
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Jun 10, 2012 -- 7:09PM, TPaine wrote:

According to the Commission, there are “some indicators of racial bias” in how the laws have been implemented. From the release:

    Data compiled by the Wall Street Journal shows a near-doubling of justifiable homicides from 2005-2011 in states where SYG [Stand Your Ground] has passed. Moreover, their data shows that while white killers of black victims comprises only 3.1% of all homicides, such cross-racial killing constitute 15.6% of justifiable homicides.

A separate study by the FBI found “34% of cases involving a white shooter killing a black person were deemed as a justifiable homicide. Meanwhile, in similar situations, when the shooter was black and the victim was white, the homicide was ruled justifiable only 3.3% of the time.” Link



This kind of bean counting does nothing to solve any problem but keep strengthening the divisions.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 8:54PM #5
mountain_man
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Jun 10, 2012 -- 8:37PM, arielg wrote:

This kind of bean counting does nothing to solve any problem but keep strengthening the divisions.


Denying there is a problem doesn't solve anything either. It's best to be honest and expose the truth as distasteful as it may be. Racism is flourishing in the USA. It's systemic in certain areas and segments of our society.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 10:18PM #6
teilhard
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May "God" Bless(+) the Family of Trayvon Martin for REFUSING to let these Injustices continue ...


P.S. -- I'm a "White Guy" too, and also a Gun Owner ...

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 10:59PM #7
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As bad as is the human toll on our highways, the toll of deer thereon is far worse. Let us be honest and expose the truth as distasteful as it may be. Speciesism is flourishing in the USA. It's systemic in certain areas and segments of our society.


 


Or perhaps there are some other underlying reasons for different results.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 11:04PM #8
teilhard
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Unfortunately for THEM, when "Deer-in-the-HeadLights" Stand THEIR Ground, it generally turns out BADLY for ALL involved ...


"Run AWAY ... !!!" IS The BEST Choice and Chance for Survival, isn't it ... ???


Jun 10, 2012 -- 10:59PM, farragut wrote:


As bad as is the human toll on our highways, the toll of deer thereon is far worse. Let us be honest and expose the truth as distasteful as it may be. Speciesism is flourishing in the USA. It's systemic in certain areas and segments of our society.


 


Or perhaps there are some other underlying reasons for different results.





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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 11:06PM #9
mountain_man
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Jun 10, 2012 -- 10:59PM, farragut wrote:

...Or perhaps there are some other underlying reasons for different results.


No, in this case it is instutional, systemic, racism.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 11:35PM #10
arielg
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Jun 10, 2012 -- 8:54PM, mountain_man wrote:


Jun 10, 2012 -- 8:37PM, arielg wrote:

This kind of bean counting does nothing to solve any problem but keep strengthening the divisions.


Denying there is a problem doesn't solve anything either. It's best to be honest and expose the truth as distasteful as it may be. Racism is flourishing in the USA. It's systemic in certain areas and segments of our society.




No one is denying there is a problem. But "according to the Commission, there are “some indicators of racial bias” in how the laws have been implemented." Big freaking deal. Some indication of racial bias.


There are a thousand details and aspects that one could observe in any particular incident. To keep focusing on the race aspect already shows a bias, which helps to keeps fixating the race problem. 


 Nothing is said  in the data studied about anyhing but the race of the people involved in it.  Nothing about any of the other circumstances.  As if  these things happen in a vacuum.


 If  Al Sharpton  looks at an incident, he will first see race, because that is already in his mind. Some people seem to have adopted this way of looking.   Like  self fulfilling prophesies.


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