Jun 8, 2012 -- 3:32PM, DotNotInOz wrote:

Sadly, I'm not the least bit surprised that my childhood home state would do such a thing, particularly since its citizenry replaced relatively sane Governor Kathleen Sebelius with that nutball Sam Brownback.

At least, Brownback can do less damage in Topeka than he did in the U.S. Senate.

What did I expect from the state that provided ample justification for Bobby Henderson's creating the Flying Spaghetti Monster "faith" of Pastafarianism?

 

>>>>>>>>> I know that, Sam "Used" his Bible frequently to get to power. I don't object to religious people but the double standard he shows about non-Chrisrtian faiths is "Un-American".

So-Called BDboy

Aug 7, 2012 -- 1:57PM, TRUECHRISTIAN wrote:

 

Howdy BDboy

Aug 6, 2012 -- 3:47PM, BDboy wrote:

 

The Islamophobia industry is heading to Murfreesboro, TN. News came out about initiatives to stop construction of a new mosque (Which obtained permits for it). You have all kinds of excuses from those who want to stop this constructions. Some of them claimed that, "Islam is not a religion protected by the US Constitution, and that the mosque would promote Shari`ah"

The FACT is that Islam IS A religion that IS protected by *****AMERICAN***** VALUES.

The FACT is that the new Islamic Community Center is ALREADY built.  

The FACT is that the Islamic Community Center is waiting for a certificate of  occupancy.   

The FACT is that the Islamic Community Center WILL promote the Shariah.   

The FACT is that I have been told that Islamic Value and American Values are....almost identical.  

Those so-called Islamophobics who are seeking to prevent a certificate of occupancy for the Islamic Community Center are Shariaophobic.   

 

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Aug 6, 2012 -- 3:47PM, BDboy wrote:

Others said,“We are not against Muslims praying in a mosque,” he said. “We are against Islam.”

The FACT is that there is nothing wrong with being against Islam or saying that you are against Islam.  It also is an ****American Value****. 

What is NOT an ****American Value**** is to prevent Muslims from building, praying and promoting Islamic Values as reflected in the Sharia.

I would be willing to bet more than a dollar that the Islamic Community Center will be used by Muslims, just as the Park 51 Islamic Community Center.  

This is old news, I heard about this almost a year ago. 

Let me share excerpt from an article I read....

Undeterred by critics, the imam hopes for a better future for Muslims, saying winning the legal fight for building the mosque will show that the Constitution applies to all Americans.

If required inspections are completed, the opening of the new center, which could happen as early as this week, will be a great day for Murfreesboro, Imam Bahloul said.

“I think it will be a day of celebration for all of us that religious freedom is a fact existing in this nation,” he said.

“People can fight as much as they want, but what is right will prevail in the end. American values will prevail in the end.”

Please click here to read an article on this topic.

So you blame it all on the so-called culture and so-called politics and blame none  of it on so-called religion.

I agree that none of the so-called Islamic "centers" have proposed to replace American Laws" by So-Called Islamic-Sharia Laws.   

However the Muslims in those centers would prefer to replace at least some American Laws with Sharia Law as part of their religious freedom.  

So far as I know there is American Law that prevents either a Muslim or a Jew from eating pork.

Now I know of a delicatassen that is owned and operated by Muslims.    They sell ham and alcohol.    No harm has come to them from selling ham or alcohol or from touching ham. 

I have no problem with Muslim-Americans wanting to practice their faith so long as it does not conflict with Secular American Laws.    

There are no laws that I am aware of that prevent either Muslim Americans or Non-Muslim Americans from making up neologians that one or the other finds "illogical-illegimate"  or "offensive-denigrating".  

MM

"OH, I'm just a poor victimized Muslim because you won't let me stop those horrible Christians from building a church."

I would certainly agree that the Christian, or should that be "so-called" christian who would say the that is without a doubt "playing the victim card."   

I would disagree that they are true christians or true americans.  that I have.  

The fact is that jews, christians, muslims and even atheists have been "victims".

If "playing the victim card" means only those who have no good reason to claim that they are victims.  I will agree that there are christians or so-called christians who play the victim card. 

However I do not think that "christians" or so-called truechristians are the only ones falsely claim that they have been victims.   

In the United States it may "seem" that way but I think that is because there are more christians, so-called christians and true(?)christians in the U.S.  

Aug 16, 2012 -- 10:30PM, mountain_man wrote:

More at Rationalwiki.

You use RationalWiki?

Aug 16, 2012 -- 10:30PM, mountain_man wrote:

Try to learn how to use the quote function. It's not that hard and makes it much easier for everyone to follow the conversation.

Aug 16, 2012 -- 4:06PM, TRUECHRISTIAN wrote:

....In the United States it may "seem" that way but I think that is because there are more christians, so-called christians and true(?)christians in the U.S.  

Aug 16, 2012 -- 10:30PM, mountain_man wrote:

 That's call a No True Scotsman Fallacy.

No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy by which an individual attempts to avoid being associated with an unpleasant act by asserting that no true member of the group they belong to would do such a thing. Instead of acknowledging that some members of a group have undesirable characteristics, the fallacy tries to redefine the group to exclude them. Sentences such as "all members of X have desirable trait Y" then become tautologies, because Y becomes a requirement of membership in X.

More at Rationalwiki.

I agree that it would be a logical fallacy to claim that no "true ____" would do anything do anything "unpleasant".  

No true(?)Muslim would fly an airplane into the WTC.  

No true(?)Christian would shoot, wound, bomb or murder-kill doctors who murder-kill unborn babies.  

No true(?)American president would use American miltary to attack another country that hasn't attacked Americans.  

No true(?)______ would do any of these unpleasant  things. 

True(?)_______ only do pleasant things?   

 

Aug 18, 2012 -- 8:59PM, PhilastusHurlbut wrote:

To be anti-Islam is a no win attitude.

To be anti-Christian is a no win attitude.  There are more than a  billion Christains. 

To be Judiac is a better(?)attitude.  There are less than 20 million Jews.

Aug 18, 2012 -- 8:59PM, PhilastusHurlbut wrote:

There are over a billion Muslims out there.  Unless you are going to declare war on a billion Muslims, I would work at coexistance rather than crusade.

I don't think that Islamophobia is a legitmate term.     It is not Islam that some people are "phobic" about it is Muslims.  

You can't blame the religion of Islam for the actions of a teeny tiny, itsy bitsy Muslims.    

Aug 18, 2012 -- 8:59PM, PhilastusHurlbut wrote:

 Islamic culture is very complex and very different from Western Culture. 

Eastern culture is very complex and vcry different from Western Culture.  

Islamic culture and Jewish culture are very similar. I think that the are more similar to each other then they are to Christian culture.  

 I'm not totally sure if immigration of vast quantities of Muslims into our country is a positive thing.  But each in our own place works.  And for those people who are Muslim and American, they have every religious right that a non Muslim would have in this country. That doesn't include Sharia law, but it most definitely includes freedom of religion and assembly.  

Philastus

I don't know how "vast" are the numbers of Muslim immigrants.   

It is my understanding that the U.S. Immigration Office does not ask the religion of immigrants on the application form.  

It is also my understanding that Halachic Law and Sharia Law are very similar.

I do not think that there is a body of Christian Law that is similar to the Halachic-Sharia Law. 

If there is, what is it called?  

I would agree that Muslim American citizens should have the "same" rights of Jewish American citizens.   

If Jewish Americans citizens can have Halachic Law, then Muslim American citizens should have Sharia Law.   

 That would be the....true American Constitutional ideal.