Jun 29, 2012 -- 1:01PM, fodaoson wrote:

The “Old Testament “ is not Judaism; the Old testament is a  Christian compilation that includes some redacted Jewish scripture (Torah) and other writings.  The first five books of the Christian Old Testament are translations of the Koine Greek translation of the Torah, the “Bible” of Judaism.

  It is strange that we have a poster claiming that there is no “Christian” law and other who claim that we are a “Christian nation”  with laws based on Christian  teachings and principles. 

The OT laws/concepts made reference to are rooted in Judasim. 

Again, codified social religious law has nothing to do with Christianity. Can somebody give an example of a specific teaching of Christ written into law?  

Because that would be the nearest example we could have. And even then, it would be only an adaptation.  Otherwise, religious law is a Judasim/Islam concept, not a Christian one. 

Socially, The United States of America is a Christian nation. That might be changing somewhat now. But historically, it's been true.

Legally, it's not accurate to call the U.S.A. a Christian nation. Our laws are civil and secular -- not religious -- in nature. 

Furthermore, as I've been asserting, it's an impossiblity to have "Christian nation" in the legal sense. 

First, Christ's teachings had nothing to do with "nation." For example, "Love your enemies" is antethetical to the concept of a nation. Nations tend to war with enemies, not have love-fests. 

Secondly, as I've already pointed out, there were no laws in His religion. 

Jun 28, 2012 -- 4:09PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

Jun 28, 2012 -- 2:38PM, Sigmund wrote:

Jun 28, 2012 -- 11:05AM, mytmouse57 wrote:

What exactly would a "Christian based law" be?

Christianity doesn't really come with a code of laws, as some other religions do. Like Buddhism, Chrisitianty is more of a religion of individual spirituality. It's not really one that included codified social laws -- such as in Judaism or Islam. 

Jesus really gave only one direct commandment -- "Love one another as I have loved you."

So, other than a mandatory Just-like-Jesus-love-fest ordinance, I fail to see how one could have a "Christian law" -- any more than one could have a Buddhist law. 

The Blue Laws that browbeaten referred to earlier is a good example.

Laws that might be written by some who identify as Christians don't count. Most of the "lawful" side of conservative religious American politics comes from the Old Testament -- Judasim. 

I think you are in error:  Jewish religious law very specifically upholds the idea that 'the law of the land' is to take precedence over Jewish religious law EXCEPT in very extreme situations, such as forcing people to sacrifice to idols.

It is a VERY BAD IDEA to suppose that 'Christianity = Judaism-Law Code+Jesus'  - because that 'equasion' makes no sense whatsoever.

Again, specifically, what "laws" could come from the Teachings of Christ? His religion wasn't one of codified laws -- as Judaism and Islam were.

I'm not a Christian, but I seem to recall several passages in the Gospels where Jesus affirms the validity of Jewish religious law and specifically states that he is not intending to overturn it. 

Further, you appear to be ignorant of the teachings of Hillel the Elder who preceeded Jesus by about a century and who taught "Do not do to another that which is hateful to you:  all the rest of Torah is commentary"   ('Torah' here representing the Written AND Oral Teachings, which Christians erroneously refer to as 'Law') 

 

Therefore, again, to me, "Christian law" is an oxymoron. 

'Jewish law' is only for Jews:  'Christian law' in the US has a history of presuming to decide for everyone else as well.  Those 'Blue Laws' didn't pertain to Christian-owned businesses only - which of course is exactly what's wrong with 'em. 

AND of course since 'life begins at conception' is not a specific Christian doctrine a la Nicene Creed - any restrictive law on abortion based on that idea is not nearly so universal as its proponants like to claim.

Both Christianity and Islam describe themselves as 'universal' faiths - Judaism does not.  It is simply the faith of the Jews and doesn't see itself as 'the One True TRUTH' or 'the ONLY way to heaven' or 'the best and purest faith'.

Any true faith is universal, or it is just tribalism. What is true , is true for everyone, not just for a group that agrees on certain things.

 What is the faith of the Jews, if not a way to find and live the Truth?

Jun 26, 2012 -- 1:32PM, REteach wrote:

Christian Sharia is clearly alive and well. Too bad we don't have laws against it...

 

Which is of course why the Founding Fathers erected a wall between church and state.  Certain groups of Christians just love to try to chip it away.

>>>>>>>> Kansas governor Brownback is one of them.

However I do not worry about the text of the law but when "Supporters" only says it is against "Sharia", it creates an environment that, can lead to other things.

Therefore, it is important to speak up before it is too late.

I heard this news from Kansas. Click here to see how talking about such law sometimes pushes ppeople do this type of thing. (Information on a mosque in Wichita, KS).