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Locked: The Islamophobia Industry Strikes in Kansas
2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 2:48PM #1
BDboy
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An interesting development in the heartland, USA.

......The Islamophobia industry is a dangerous and influential group. They have successfully attached anti-Muslim sentiment to the banner of right-wing populism and it is fast becoming identical to anti-Semitism and other such structural racisms that have the potential to spill out into the ghastly displays of violence. The Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik, for example, listed Spencer, Geller and Gaffney multiple times in the manifesto that served as a guidebook for his massacre in July 2011..............

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The Islamophobia Industry Strikes in Kansas

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 2:50PM #2
mytmouse57
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I've said it before.


Muslims are the new "n***ers." 


It's fashionable and legit to hate and fear them. 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 3:32PM #3
DotNotInOz
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Sadly, I'm not the least bit surprised that my childhood home state would do such a thing, particularly since its citizenry replaced relatively sane Governor Kathleen Sebelius with that nutball Sam Brownback.


At least, Brownback can do less damage in Topeka than he did in the U.S. Senate.


What did I expect from the state that provided ample justification for Bobby Henderson's creating the Flying Spaghetti Monster "faith" of Pastafarianism?


 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 6:35PM #4
rocketjsquirell
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There is no such thing as Islamaphobia.

There are  those who object to CERTAIN elements who cliam to represent Islam which elsewhere on B'net we have taken to calling "Martians" but who are usually identified in the press as being Muslim extremists. Since the goals of the Martians are antithetical to the interests of America and Americans being anti-Martian is a reasonable position. The martians, however, are no more representative of the entirety of Islam or all Muslims than the Westboro Baptist Church is of all Christians.  It is actually a good idea to be worried about the Martians as well as about the folks like the Westboro Baptist Church. A concern based in facts and reason is not a phobia.

There are those who have objections to Islamic evangelism. Since evangelism is by definition anti the people being evangelized and an attack on those people and their beliefs being aware of and against such evangelism is a reasonable position.

There are those who have religious disputes with Islam and who worry about their flocks being swayed by ideas with which they disagree. Again this is a perfectly reasonable position.


The idea that one needs to legislate against Sharia Law is, on the other hand, just plain stupid. It is, however, a response (if the wrong response) to peoples legitimate concerns about the Martians.  the way to combat those fears is through education about what Islam actually is, what Muslims aspire for it to be and an admission by Muslims that the Martians actually do exist and that they scare the heck out of them as well.   

What is interesting is that the article sited is anti-semitic, blaming the entire "Islamaphobia" crisis not on people's legitimate concerns about a small minority of Muslims on a dead Jew. Congratulations BDboy, you have done it again, but then again, you always do.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 8:51PM #5
wohali
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"What is interesting is that the article sited is anti-semitic, blaming the entire "Islamaphobia" crisis not on people's legitimate concerns about a small minority of Muslims on a dead Jew. Congratulations BDboy, you have done it again, but then again, you always do."


If there is no Islamophobia there how can there be anti-semitism? 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 9:04PM #6
Iwantamotto
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rocketjsquirell:  There is no such thing as Islamaphobia.


Well, the imaginary Islamaphobes can sit next to the imaginary homophobes and the imaginary minority-o-phobes.


Since the goals of the Martians are antithetical to the interests of America


I'm more worried about Americans who are antithetical to the interests of America.


The martians, however, are no more representative of the entirety of Islam or all Muslims than the Westboro Baptist Church is of all Christians.


I don't live on Mars.


There are those who have religious disputes with Islam and who worry about their flocks being swayed by ideas with which they disagree. Again this is a perfectly reasonable position.


Understandable, but not reasonable.  After all, if a religion is selling the "Right" product, no one should be going after the cheap crap.

Knock and the door shall open.  It's not my fault if you don't like the decor.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 10:21PM #7
Roodog
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Jun 8, 2012 -- 2:50PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


I've said it before.


Muslims are the new "n***ers." 


It's fashionable and legit to hate and fear them. 





A large percentage of the world's Muslims are Black, mouse.

For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary.
For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.

St. Thomas Aquinas

If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 10:23PM #8
Roodog
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Jun 8, 2012 -- 6:35PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


There is no such thing as Islamaphobia.

There are  those who object to CERTAIN elements who cliam to represent Islam which elsewhere on B'net we have taken to calling "Martians" but who are usually identified in the press as being Muslim extremists. Since the goals of the Martians are antithetical to the interests of America and Americans being anti-Martian is a reasonable position. The martians, however, are no more representative of the entirety of Islam or all Muslims than the Westboro Baptist Church is of all Christians.  It is actually a good idea to be worried about the Martians as well as about the folks like the Westboro Baptist Church. A concern based in facts and reason is not a phobia.

There are those who have objections to Islamic evangelism. Since evangelism is by definition anti the people being evangelized and an attack on those people and their beliefs being aware of and against such evangelism is a reasonable position.

There are those who have religious disputes with Islam and who worry about their flocks being swayed by ideas with which they disagree. Again this is a perfectly reasonable position.


The idea that one needs to legislate against Sharia Law is, on the other hand, just plain stupid. It is, however, a response (if the wrong response) to peoples legitimate concerns about the Martians.  the way to combat those fears is through education about what Islam actually is, what Muslims aspire for it to be and an admission by Muslims that the Martians actually do exist and that they scare the heck out of them as well.   

What is interesting is that the article sited is anti-semitic, blaming the entire "Islamaphobia" crisis not on people's legitimate concerns about a small minority of Muslims on a dead Jew. Congratulations BDboy, you have done it again, but then again, you always do.





They've got Muslims on Mars?Surprised

For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary.
For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.

St. Thomas Aquinas

If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 10:34PM #9
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Jun 8, 2012 -- 8:51PM, wohali wrote:

If there is no Islamophobia there how can there be anti-semitism?


As we have seen proven here; denial is a powerful tool for those that need to hate.

Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 08, 2012 - 10:38PM #10
rocketjsquirell
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Jun 8, 2012 -- 8:51PM, wohali wrote:


"What is interesting is that the article sited is anti-semitic, blaming the entire "Islamaphobia" crisis not on people's legitimate concerns about a small minority of Muslims on a dead Jew. Congratulations BDboy, you have done it again, but then again, you always do."


If there is no Islamophobia there how can there be anti-semitism? 





Quite simply. Islamaphobia is an unreasonable fear of Islam. There are those who fear certain Muslims the "martians" but such fear is not unreasonable. There do not seem to be any who actually fear normative Islam in the same way. They may have theological disagreements, cultural disagreements, but that is not fear.


Anti-semtisim is being anti-Jewish or hateful of Jews. There are plenty of people who do that, more that a few post on B'net.


There are people who are anti-Islam but that is not Islamaphobia.


There is a differance and it is an important differance.

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