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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 8:58PM #11
wohali
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Ebon, indeed you are correct, Chikatilo isn't the record holder, I was posting from memory and I shouldn't do that anymore.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 9:07PM #12
Ebon
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It's ok, Wo. I wouldn't be able to remember what I had for breakfast if I didn't have the same thing everyday (coffee & cigarettes).

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 11:15PM #13
christine3
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Jun 5, 2012 -- 8:40PM, Ebon wrote:


Jun 5, 2012 -- 8:24PM, wohali wrote:

Perhaps a very notable example of a serial killer operating when there were no serial killers is Andrei Chikatilo. He may be the record holder for number of kills. This occured when the Soviet union insisted that there were no Soviet serial killers.


They have always been there, we just didn't always know about them.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo



He's not the most kills. That's either Harold Shipman (killed at least 250 and maybe up to 450) or Pedro Lopez (at least 110, confessed to another 240). Chikatilo is interesting because it's likely he could have been caught a lot earlier but for the Soviet's pig-headed insistence that they had no serial killers.


There have always been monsters among us. But as we learn more about them, we learn how to catch them quicker. I intend to help with that, if I can.





I have just gotten back from a BBQ and have no energy to comment on all these wonderful posts - will do it tomorrow.  Great BBQ.  I always make a homemade dressing to take along.  This time it was Catalina.  Last time it was Green Goddess.  Hey, I hate bottled dressings.    I'm too full and just have to call it a night and sack out in front of the TV.


For now, I just have to ask what you are doing Ebon, what classes you are taking, you are taking a course to work in criminal investigations, what?  

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 11:19PM #14
christine3
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Jun 5, 2012 -- 9:07PM, Ebon wrote:


It's ok, Wo. I wouldn't be able to remember what I had for breakfast if I didn't have the same thing everyday (coffee & cigarettes).





That was exactly my breakfast up until 2 years ago.  I quit smoking cold turkey.  Went from 4 cups of coffee down to one.  I'm gonna call it a night.  Can't think worth beans.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2012 - 11:21PM #15
Ebon
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Jun 5, 2012 -- 11:15PM, christine3 wrote:

For now, I just have to ask what you are doing Ebon, what classes you are taking, you are taking a course to work in criminal investigations, what? 



Degree in Psychology with a specialism in Forensic Psychology. I'm about halfway through now. I'm just about to finish up with sex & gender psychology (exam next week, wish me luck). Then I do the research project in October (no idea what I'll pick for that) and Child Development which bores me to tears but it's required for BPS (British Psychological Society, the professional body in this country) certification.It's pretty complicated because I have to fit in the courses that are required for BPS certification and the courses I want for my specialisation. The degree will be followed by a Masters in Forensic Psychology.


Jun 5, 2012 -- 11:19PM, christine3 wrote:

That was exactly my breakfast up until 2 years ago.  I quit smoking cold turkey.  Went from 4 cups of coffee down to one.  I'm gonna call it a night.  Can't think worth beans.



I smoke about 40-50 cigarettes a day (hand-rolled so probably equivelent to about 20-30 regular) and drink 20-30 cups of coffee a day. I have no intention of quitting smoking because I'm one of the vanishingly small number of smokers who actually enjoy smoking.


Sleep well.

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 06, 2012 - 7:44AM #16
CharikIeia
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Jun 5, 2012 -- 11:21PM, Ebon wrote:


I'm just about to finish up with sex & gender psychology (exam next week, wish me luck).



Good luck, Ebon! It's been a tough study year over here, as the financial crisis in combination with a neoliberal government has increased student numbers but reduced teaching staff & TA contracts... now in the final exam weeks, we'll see to what degree this may also impact "output", as our administrators call it. I've never been looking forward to a summer vacation period as much as this year...

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 06, 2012 - 5:54PM #17
christine3
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Jun 5, 2012 -- 11:21PM, Ebon wrote:


Degree in Psychology with a specialism in Forensic Psychology. I'm about halfway through now. I'm just about to finish up with sex & gender psychology (exam next week, wish me luck). Then I do the research project in October (no idea what I'll pick for that) and Child Development which bores me to tears but it's required for BPS (British Psychological Society, the professional body in this country) certification.It's pretty complicated because I have to fit in the courses that are required for BPS certification and the courses I want for my specialisation. The degree will be followed by a Masters in Forensic Psychology.




You've chosen a fascinating study.  I was a Psychology major myself.  Over the years my interests have navigated towards wanting to help families who lose loved ones, people who just one day disappear, as if off the face of the earth.  It irks me to no end that people get away with such terrible crimes.


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 06, 2012 - 6:11PM #18
christine3
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Christine:  What complex of stimuli can bring out this behavior, apparently inherent in all of us.  Can it be avoided? 


Ebon:  It's not inherent. Yes, there are probably genetic cues but our genes do not dictate our lives. Our actions are a result of a complex interplay between genes, circumstances and environment.


I agree with this.  Where I live probably half of the shows on TV have to do with some of aberrated human behavior.  Serial killer shows or crime shows in general seem to get the most attention from the audience, because that's what we're getting fed.  I personally get tired of seeing it and want it to stop.  People can get depressed after watching those shows over a long time.


I agreed with your other answers too.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 7:58PM #19
Iwantamotto
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christine3:  Movies have progressed in graphic violence over the last ten years.  "It's just a movie", we think, as we shake off the shivers and walk out of the theater or turn off the TV.  So much for compartmentalization.


It is.  People who mindlessly repeat what they saw onscreen are hopelessly out of touch with reality.


It seems to start with torturing animals, then progresses.  Animals are safe to practice on.  Could there also be a link to eating animal meat, which then horrifically progresses to eating human meat?


Um, no.  Me eating a hamburger does not result in a desire or a will to eat my neighbors.  Now, take some person who flays his cat, spreads the bloody intestines on the patio, and bathes in the pile of organs while broadcasting it on Youtube, and I'm willing to call THAT a red flag.


Is there cause for alarm that this abnormal behavior is rising?


I'm hearing the snorting of bath salts or whatever is causing this crap.  And yet you're talking about eating meat as the trigger.  I find it a strange tangent.


mytmouse57:  When some people say, "I'm having a friend for dinner..."


They really mean it.


LOL.


Erey:  I think the media can definately alter your preception of reality.


Well, personally,  I think Hannibal Lecter would pwn Jack the Ripper any day.  :P


Ebon:  People who before would have become serial killers are now getting caught before they get the chance.


It helps that the internet forces these narcissists to brag about crimes that would've been buried in a letters to the editor page in some newspaper 100 years ago.


Child Development which bores me to tears but it's required for BPS (British Psychological Society, the professional body in this country)


My own impression is that Child Development will help you see that a lot of adult disorders are people who just never grew the hell up.  :P


In all seriousness, you find the same narcissism, the same limited perspectives, the same magical thinking, etc in a child as you would a screwed up adult.

Knock and the door shall open.  It's not my fault if you don't like the decor.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2012 - 8:04PM #20
wohali
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Christine3:


"I agree with this.  Where I live probably half of the shows on TV have to do with some of aberrated human behavior.  Serial killer shows or crime shows in general seem to get the most attention from the audience, because that's what we're getting fed."


Really, not because they are more interesting than some other programs?


Personally I'll take Criminal Minds over Survivor any day.


"I personally get tired of seeing it and want it to stop."


Don't watch.


"People can get depressed after watching those shows over a long time."


People get depressed about lots of things well before they get depressed over a TV program...........

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