Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:20PM, Girlchristian wrote:

1. Most businesses don't do this because it costs them money.

Maybe it depends on where one lives.  Just about EVERYWHERE I go provides free refills, and the glasses they use are BIG.   You can't get a "small" meaning 8 or 12 ounces where I live. Believe me or don't.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:20PM, Girlchristian wrote:

2. If true, why do you blame the business and not the person eating that could say "no thanks, I don't want any more"?

Because that is not how human beings behave and it doesn't make them stupid or lazy or anything else but human.   If it were all as easy as you all make it sound, nobody in America would be overweight and nobody would have obesity-related illnesses early in life.  Plus, as I've already said, I am neither a Republican nor Libertarian, so I am not into the blame game when it comes to the public health.  I accept that human beings aren't perfect and make mistakes.  Maybe you don't know any obese people or people with diabetes or heart disease to point the finger of blame at for their suffering.  I do.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:20PM, Girlchristian wrote:

The problem is that you put ALL the blame on the evil, immoral businesses because you think people aren't smart enough to make their own decisions so others must do it for them.

Please don't tell me what I think.  Otherwise I'll have to conclude you base your rebuttals on hysteria like somebody else I know.  I've wasted quite a bit of time, effort and digital space telling you all what I think.   That you disagree does not concern me.  Mischaracterization of what somebody else says based on some polictical dogma someone adheres to is thread-derailing.

More mischaracterizations and misrepresentations....and personal insults instead of legitimate rebuttals to legitimate challenges.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 10:36AM, Erey wrote:

You don't want to go sugar free, you just want to scream and foam at the mouth at how the "stupid people" need saving from themselves.  A long as they don't infringe on your sugar consumption, right?  hypocrite

You've been out of control on this thread for a long time, now, Erey.  I do regret that you just don't get it.   However, you are wasting your time and my time with your insults and your repeated mischaracterizations and misrepresentations of what I say and what I believe.  So don't waste more of your time responding anymore, unless you have a need to, because you and I are done, here.  It is rather puzzling that you could become so enraged with both fists clenched and flaying any which way because other people don't see the world in the harsh, punative way you do, all over something that doesn't even affect you !! 

ps...I haven't called people "stupid"....I DON'T call people "stupid"...those are YOUR words, not mine...oh, and GirlChristian's words.  Own them.   Your "mean girl" routines are amusing.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:46PM, Girlchristian wrote:

Most places ask if a person would like more...

Maybe in your experience.  I am willing to accord you enough respect to acknowledge that what you say is true in your own experience.  I would HOPE that you could return that respect by acknowledging that what I relate from my own experience is true, and that you are in no position to summarily tell me my experience is wrong.  There are a lot of places where the waiter/waitress is so busy that they don't stop to ask, they just bring a second, or third glass.   

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:46PM, Girlchristian wrote:

Okay so the businesses that serve the soda have an obligation to do the right thing for people's health but the people drinking them have no such obligation?

Yes, businesses that are going to sell a product to a human being who can be harmed has a moral obligaton to make sure the product is as safe as it can be.  I don't believe in predatory capitalism.  You do.  That's why I'm a Green and you're a Republican.  The consumer's "responisiblity" is secondary in this case.  A kid should have an equal right to trust that the stuff he's being sold is safe.  That's not too much to ask.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:46PM, Girlchristian wrote:

My grandmother died after going into her second diabetic coma and my grandfather died from heart disease. I'm well aware what bad decisions can do to a person, but I dont blame the businesses that sold my grandmother all the sugary and fatty crap she ate--it was her choice and she knew exactly what she was doing.

Diabetes, heart disease and cancer all run in my family and killed family members.  I would never , in a million years, blame them for their suffering.  Period.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:46PM, Girlchristian wrote:

You call the businesses immoral for selling food and drinks you think they shouldn't and make excuses for the people that choose to purchase them...

I haven't made any excuses. It is your side -- what I'll call the "mean girl" side that is making excuses -- for inanimate businesses instead of people. Your side is the one full of blame and full or scorn, it's your side that uses words like "stupid people"..  You said it...own it.  I'm regret that you, Cesmom and Erey just don't get it.  No where have I said that there are "foods and drinks" that I "think they shouldn't" sell. Nowhere. I have not called for a ban anywhere. If you are going to tell me I'm wrong, and tell me what I think, the least you can do it GET IT RIGHT!

Jun 13, 2012 -- 5:15PM, rabello wrote:

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:46PM, Girlchristian wrote:

Most places ask if a person would like more...

Maybe in your experience.  I am willing to accord you enough respect to aknowledge that what you say is true in your own experience.  I would HOPE that you could return that respect by acknowledging that what I relate from my own experience is true, and that you are in no position to summarily tell me my experience is wrong.  There are a lot of places where the waiter/waitress is so busy that they don't stop to ask, they just bring a second, or third glass.   

 

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:46PM, Girlchristian wrote:

Okay so the businesses that serve the soda have an obligation to do the right thing for people's health but the people drinking them have no such obligation?

Yes, businesses that are going to sell a product to a human being who can be harmed has a moral obligaton to make sure the product is as safe as it can be.  I don't believe in predatory capitalism.  You do.  That's why I'm a Green and you're a Republican.  The consumer's "responisiblity" is secondary in this case.  A kid should have an equal right to trust that the stuff he's being sold is safe.  That's not too much to ask.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:46PM, Girlchristian wrote:

My grandmother died after going into her second diabetic coma and my grandfather died from heart disease. I'm well aware what bad decisions can do to a person, but I dont blame the businesses that sold my grandmother all the sugary and fatty crap she ate--it was her choice and she knew exactly what she was doing.

Diabetes, heart disease and cancer all run in my family and killed family members.  I would never , in a million years, blame them for their suffering.  Period.

My grandmother made her own decisions. She had free medical care and chose to ignore everything her doctors said because she didnt want to. She made that choice. It's not 'blame' to acknowledge that she made her own choices and only she was responsible for them. Period.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:46PM, Girlchristian wrote:

You call the businesses immoral for selling food and drinks you think they shouldn't and make excuses for the people that choose to purchase them...

I haven't made any excuses. It is your side -- what I'll call the "mean girl" side that is making excuses -- for inanimate businesses instead of people. Your side is the one full of blame and full or scorn, it's your side that uses words like "stupid people"..  You said it...own it.  I'm regret that you, Cesmom and Erey just don't get it.

I havent once been mean to you and if you want to resort to name calling them i'm done discussing this with you.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 5:16PM, Girlchristian wrote:

Exactly, but it seems that some have no problem with more gov't control.

What, exactly, is the "gov't control" you fear so much from having businesses in NYC limited to serving 16 ounce servings in one transaction?   If a business serves more than the 16 ounces, they'll get fined, just like they'd get fined if they allow a smoker to smoke in the restaurant, and that's only if they got reported.

Did you know that the Republican governor in Florida is scrubbing the voter rolls to disenfranchise minority voters from this coming election?  Did you know that the governor of Texas has executed more people in 7 years than any other governor in American history?

THAT'S the kind of "gov't control" you should fear.

I don't understand people who choose to live here and yet hate the American government.  Move to Haiti if you can't stand government.  There's no social security, or medicare, or medicaid or food stamps or welfare, but there's no "gov't control" either.