***In a civilized Society, yes, for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety, there MUST be SOME Limits imposed on Personal Actions and Choices ...
It's NOT an ALL-or-NOTHING Deal, is it ... ???
Why not force, by law, anything that might be healthier for someone?
If we can force some things (that are deemed healthier), why not all things?
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Bye, Bye Florida?
Fruit juice targeted in war on obesity
Experts sound warnings about varied offerings and health problems
(Jose M. Osorio, Chicago…)
May 24, 2012|By Monica Eng, Chicago Tribune reporter
Over the past decade, the nation's war on obesity has targeted some fairly obvious culprits, including fast food, pastries, fried foods and soda.
But recent scientific studies and a new government-sponsored documentary that aired last week on HBO have identified a new, less obvious enemy: fruit juice.
This might surprise the many parents and school districts that in recent years have proudly ditched soda in favor of 100 percent juice. But health experts increasingly agree that it is not a better alternative.
***In a civilized Society, yes, for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety, there MUST be SOME Limits imposed on Personal Actions and Choices ...
Why not force, by law, anything that might be healthier for someone?
If we can force some things (that are deemed healthier), why not all things?
The problem as I see is where do you draw the line?
Laws were passed to require car manufacturers to have have seatbelts and for people to wear seatbelts for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety. This as saved hundreds if not thousands of lives a year at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
Laws were also passed to require people who ride motocycles to wear helmets for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety. This as saved hundreds if not thousands of lives a year at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
Laws have also been passed to require children to wear helmets when riding bicycles for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety. This as saved hundreds if not thousands of children from serious head injuries at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
A law was recently passed in NYC that banned resturants in NYC from cooking with transfats for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
It could be said "Uncle" Sam is being replaced by "Daddy" Sam and that we are just children who must be diciplined for our own good and safety at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
We have also passed VERY strict Laws and Regulations re: "Tobacco" Purchases and Adverts and Promotions, BANNED Tobacco Use in most Public Places, imposed VERY high Taxes on Tobacco Products, and MOST People think think that these are GOOD Things ...
So, yes ... We are engaged yet again in yet another Public Discussion of "The Public Good" ... And I, for one, think this is a GOOD Thing ...
***In a civilized Society, yes, for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety, there MUST be SOME Limits imposed on Personal Actions and Choices ...
Why not force, by law, anything that might be healthier for someone?
If we can force some things (that are deemed healthier), why not all things?
The problem as I see is where do you draw the line?
Laws were passed to require car manufacturers to have have seatbelts and for people to wear seatbelts for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety. This as saved hundreds if not thousands of lives a year at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
Laws were also passed to require people who ride motocycles to wear helmets for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety. This as saved hundreds if not thousands of lives a year at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
Laws have also been passed to require children to wear helmets when riding bicycles for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety. This as saved hundreds if not thousands of children from serious head injuries at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
A law was recently passed in NYC that banned resturants in NYC from cooking with transfats for the sake of Public Good and Individual Safety at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
It could be said "Uncle" Sam is being replaced by "Daddy" Sam and that we are just children who must be diciplined for our own good and safety at the cost of indiviual liberty and freedom.
Part of the Nutrition-Obesity-Crisis in America, however, is about CHILDREN and Young People, who are still LEARNING how to make Good Choices ... So, e.g., we have decided as a Society to GREATLY intervene re: Adverts and "Specials" for, e.g., Tobacco and Alcohol ...
The larger the cup the more ice it contains, a 32 ounce cup contains less than 12 oz of drink.
I wondered about that. I do love a fountan drink on occasion with alot of ice.
Me too, and I think you hit the nail on the head...on occasion. I don't drink pop every day. People who are having their obesity significantly contributed to by soda are people who drink it every day. If I want to have a 32 ounce Coke on occasion, I should be able to do so without big brother telling me that's not for sale anymore for my own protection.
When it comes to things that will kill you dead I might agree. I might be very responsible with a nuclear weapon, but come on! Yes obesity is a #1 health concern (verses the malnutrition of 60 years ago) but obese people are often perfectly capable of taking control of their health. Do a google search and you will find too many to count people who took control and now lead very healthy lives. Unfortunately, as proflic as this is it is almost never "hot news". Obese does not = stupid and incompetent.
I think we can live with people over eating and drinking too much sugar, I don't think that is going to lay waste our society. Yes I agree that getting control over your health and well being is very important. It is most important to the individual but it can have further reaching benefits for famlies and even communities. I am all for people getting healthy! I just don't think we need to go down this dangerous slippery slope of setting up what are mostly empty and unimpressive regulations that nobody has much faith in. If you are going to enact a nanny-state move then for goodness sake, make it worthwhile!!
At the end of the day don't you think it is best for society that more people learn how to control their appetites and make wiser food choices than it is to set up all these rules and regulations that are controlling and intrusive? It is pretty clear what I think. Legistlating a healthy lifestyle is not the way to go.
Well we have intervened to a limited amount. I used to drink cokes at school but they don't sell sodas anymore. Lots of info about exercise, how to get started, how to stay motivated. lots and lots of info on how to improve your diet, simple steps to take, etc. The only thing we don't do and what I am not willing to do is FORCE the matter.
Young people love sugar, and cheese and fried foods - you can't change that. I ate way more of these kinds of foods when I was younger. Now that I am older I have fantasies about things like a nice piece of seafood and a nice tomato. I still like that stuff sugar and fried foods but it does not jazz me like it used to. We all are capable of change and by and large we do change. How many mature adults do you see running around with a funnel cake? You don't, that is a young person's food. I might try a bite of something like that but I am not interested in eating much more than a bite.
Did you always make "correct food choices" as a kid? Was it a national problem because you didn't? How creepy are the kids who don't indulge?
The problem is not teaching kids to eschew all problem foods but teaching them to enjoy (on some level) the more healthfull foods and of course to get off their ass and get some exercise. Then it is up to the parents to provide healthful food (a few treats here and there won't kill you)
WHILE I'm teaching "Gun Safety" to my Children and GrandChildren I go out of my WAY to greatly limit and restrict and control their ACCESS to Guns and Ammo ...
Part of the Nutrition-Obesity-Crisis in America, however, is about CHILDREN and Young People, who are still LEARNING how to make Good Choices ... So, e.g., we have decided as a Society to GREATLY intervene re: Adverts and "Specials" for, e.g., Tobacco and Alcohol ...
The larger the cup the more ice it contains, a 32 ounce cup contains less than 12 oz of drink.
I wondered about that. I do love a fountan drink on occasion with alot of ice.
Me too, and I think you hit the nail on the head...on occasion. I don't drink pop every day. People who are having their obesity significantly contributed to by soda are people who drink it every day. If I want to have a 32 ounce Coke on occasion, I should be able to do so without big brother telling me that's not for sale anymore for my own protection.
When it comes to things that will kill you dead I might agree. I might be very responsible with a nuclear weapon, but come on! Yes obesity is a #1 health concern (verses the malnutrition of 60 years ago) but obese people are often perfectly capable of taking control of their health. Do a google search and you will find too many to count people who took control and now lead very healthy lives. Unfortunately, as proflic as this is it is almost never "hot news". Obese does not = stupid and incompetent.
I think we can live with people over eating and drinking too much sugar, I don't think that is going to lay waste our society. Yes I agree that getting control over your health and well being is very important. It is most important to the individual but it can have further reaching benefits for famlies and even communities. I am all for people getting healthy! I just don't think we need to go down this dangerous slippery slope of setting up what are mostly empty and unimpressive regulations that nobody has much faith in. If you are going to enact a nanny-state move then for goodness sake, make it worthwhile!!
At the end of the day don't you think it is best for society that more people learn how to control their appetites and make wiser food choices than it is to set up all these rules and regulations that are controlling and intrusive? It is pretty clear what I think. Legistlating a healthy lifestyle is not the way to go.
Well we have intervened to a limited amount. I used to drink cokes at school but they don't sell sodas anymore. Lots of info about exercise, how to get started, how to stay motivated. lots and lots of info on how to improve your diet, simple steps to take, etc. The only thing we don't do and what I am not willing to do is FORCE the matter.
***Young people love sugar, and cheese and fried foods - you can't change that. I ate way more of these kinds of foods when I was younger. Now that I am older I have fantasies about things like a nice piece of seafood and a nice tomato. I still like that stuff sugar and fried foods but it does not jazz me like it used to. We all are capable of change and by and large we do change. How many mature adults do you see running around with a funnel cake? You don't, that is a young person's food. I might try a bite of something like that but I am not interested in eating much more than a bite.
***Did you always make "correct food choices" as a kid? Was it a national problem because you didn't? How creepy are the kids who don't indulge?
The problem is not teaching kids to eschew all problem foods but teaching them to enjoy (on some level) the more healthfull foods and of course to get off their ass and get some exercise. Then it is up to the parents to provide healthful food (a few treats here and there won't kill you)
WHILE I'm teaching "Gun Safety" to my Children and GrandChildren I go out of my WAY to greatly limit and restrict and control their ACCESS to Guns and Ammo ...
WHILE I'm teaching "Gun Safety" to my Children and GrandChildren I go out of my WAY to greatly limit and restrict and control their ACCESS to Guns and Ammo ...
Yes, but sugar is not a gun. Let's don't be mello-dramatic about this. Your kid can kill himself or someone else very quickly by improper gun handling. It will end and ruin a life. Sugar is not that bad. Sugar does not kill people but it can slow them down for sure. Although most people do fine with some sugar.
Sugar is not going anywhere it is important to teach kids skills on how to live in a world with sugar and french fries. We all want the good life. For all of us the good life includes some sort of optimal level of weight and health. So part of living the good life is learning how to eat well.
WHILE I'm teaching "Gun Safety" to my Children and GrandChildren I go out of my WAY to greatly limit and restrict and control their ACCESS to Guns and Ammo ...
WHILE I'm teaching "Gun Safety" to my Children and GrandChildren I go out of my WAY to greatly limit and restrict and control their ACCESS to Guns and Ammo ...
Yes, but sugar is not a gun. Let's don't be mello-dramatic about this. Your kid can kill himself or someone else very quickly by improper gun handling. It will end and ruin a life. Sugar is not that bad. Sugar does not kill people but it can slow them down for sure. Although most people do fine with some sugar.
Sugar is not going anywhere it is important to teach kids skills on how to live in a world with sugar and french fries. We all want the good life. For all of us the good life includes some sort of optimal level of weight and health. So part of living the good life is learning how to eat well.
We already know that the hardliners on THIS thread simply do not "believe" the most recent studies that prove that, yes indeedy, processed sugar is bad for us and leads to all sorts of deblilitating illness, much like tobacco does. Well, whatever...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!
It appears that the hardliners' solution, here, is NOT to enact some common sense public health programs to help protect people and help guide them into eating (in this case, drinking) better, the way people were guided into not smoking, and not put any restrictions whatsoever on profit-seeking capitalists whose only care is the bottom line -- carte blanche for them -- but to blame and punish those who, for whatever reason, mostly lacking resources and education, to make the same decisions we would, ourselves make, to "control" themselves -- and what a stereotype towards fat people THAT is based on!
I am continually amazed at how far away Americans have moved from The Golden Rule.
WHILE I'm teaching "Gun Safety" to my Children and GrandChildren I go out of my WAY to greatly limit and restrict and control their ACCESS to Guns and Ammo ...
WHILE I'm teaching "Gun Safety" to my Children and GrandChildren I go out of my WAY to greatly limit and restrict and control their ACCESS to Guns and Ammo ...
Yes, but sugar is not a gun. Let's don't be mello-dramatic about this. Your kid can kill himself or someone else very quickly by improper gun handling. It will end and ruin a life. Sugar is not that bad. Sugar does not kill people but it can slow them down for sure. Although most people do fine with some sugar.
Sugar is not going anywhere it is important to teach kids skills on how to live in a world with sugar and french fries. We all want the good life. For all of us the good life includes some sort of optimal level of weight and health. So part of living the good life is learning how to eat well.
Obesity and diabites are PROBLEMS. Problems that need to be addressed. What I am trying to tell you is sugar does not equal obesity and diabites.
You can afford to let your kid drink a giant soda on occasion (if he can actually finish it). You can afford to on occasion have a piece of cheesecake or an extra piece of pie. No reason to be a tight-ass and monitor every teaspoon of sugar. Chill out!!
If you have some serious health problems in your family, if your child has type 1 Diabites then for goodness sake you do have to be really controlling. No reason to borrow problems you don't have.
We all want our kids to have the good life, right? That usually means the health and beauty of being an appropriate weight. My kids, really, really, really don't want to be obese. They are very active children, lots of muscle and strength. I provide healthfull food at home. We talk about how to eat outside of home, about what is a treat vs. being self sabatoging.
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