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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 12:10AM #11
PosingAsMe
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Jun 2, 2012 -- 12:05AM, teilhard wrote:


Look, New York City has LONG been called, "The Big Apple" -- NOT "The Super-Size Fries" or "The Big Gulp Sugar Soda" or "The Half-Pounder-with-Cheese" -- for a REASON ...


Obviously NYC is -- or longs to be -- THE Healthiest City in The World, right ... ???




You think maybe a new moniker is on the way?  Maybe "The Big Rice Cake"?  "The Big Broccoli Stalk?"  "The Big Chunka Tofu"? 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 12:10AM #12
rabello
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PS --


He (Bloomburg) isn't taking about 6-packs or liter bottles that one buys in the supermarket -- the kind of thing that can be labelled with warnings.  He's talking about this:



NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg plans to propose a far-reaching municipal ban on sales of large-size sugary beverages by restaurants, mobile food carts, movie theaters and delis, his administration said on Wednesday.




His goal:



A document outlining the proposal said it was aimed at fighting an epidemic of obesity, citing public health statistics showing that 58 percent of New York City adults and nearly 40 percent of city public school students are obese or overweight.


Americans consume 200 to 300 more calories every day than they did 30 years ago, according to the Bloomberg administration's analysis.




****Personally, I think the oversized portions of food and sugary drinks that have become mainstay are quite unethical by the profit seekers in the food service business.  Just me.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 7:04AM #13
CharikIeia
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Jun 2, 2012 -- 12:10AM, rabello wrote:


 Just me.



Me, too, rabello.


I think this is a quite good example illustrating why unregulated capitalism, i.e., capitalism that exploits our self-destructive ("sinful") behaviour, is immoral.


Kudos to Bloomberg, on this issue!

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 10:09AM #14
arielg
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 2:45PM #15
rabello
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Jun 2, 2012 -- 7:04AM, CharikIeia wrote:


I think this is a quite good example illustrating why unregulated capitalism, i.e., capitalism that exploits our self-destructive ("sinful") behaviour, is immoral.


Kudos to Bloomberg, on this issue!




Agreed.


The plan would place a limit of 16 ounces to one serving of a sugary drink, which is still more than a standard bottle or can of pop.  Of course, no one is restricted from buying 2 or 3 such servings if they need 32 ounces or 48 ounces to go with their meal.   Other measures proposed to combat obesity, especially in kids, is to put more drinking fountains in schools to compete with the soda machines that are already there -- although NYC public schools may have succeeded in banning soda machines in public schools, not sure about that.


I always resent ordering a "small" drink and am handed a 24 ounce (or larger) disposable paper cup.  "Small" should really mean "small", I think. 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 5:01PM #16
Ebon
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Forgive the dumb Brit but, by my schoolboy maths, 16 ounces is about 456 mililiters. Does that sound about right? A standard sized can of Coke here is 330ml.

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 5:32PM #17
IreneAdler
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First, I dislike folks dictating such things. Let the market place determine things like this.


However, after reading Mindless Eating, I learned that humans usually use external cues to determine serving size.  Instead of satiety being the determining factor regarding when to stop eating, we usually use the plate or container to determine this.  We eat until there’s no more on the plate or in the container.  Hence, a bigger container means we eat more (unless one takes conscious steps to stop before polishing off the whole thing).


The problem here is that one can order multiple smaller vessels at one time.  We tend to consume more if there aren’t impediments that cause us to pause between servings.  Making folks go get another 16 oz. soda forces folks to decide if another soda is worth the trouble. That’s the key here. Course, that makes it harder for one to fetch an order for an entire party.


 


Irene.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 7:25PM #18
rabello
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Jun 2, 2012 -- 5:01PM, Ebon wrote:


Forgive the dumb Brit but, by my schoolboy maths, 16 ounces is about 456 mililiters. Does that sound about right? A standard sized can of Coke here is 330ml.




Sounds right.  Over here, 8 ounces equals a standardized "cup" which is what all of our nutritional data are based on.   Most bottles, cans come in 12 ounce containers, but a lot of restaurants put soft drinks in large glasses that have to hold at least 24 fluid ounces (3 cups, or 2 cans/bottles of soda pop) -- with free re-fills.  That means a person could be drinking 3 or 4 bottles of pop at one meal.  And since waiters/waitresses often just bring the refill without asking the person if they want more, the person ends up not even paying attention to how much sugar they're drinking.  Places like 7-11 sell the Big Gulp which is at least 32 ounces (4 cups, or approx 3 bottles of pop).  It really is ridiculous.  Do they do this kind of thing in Europe?

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 7:27PM #19
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The Ameican Diet almost EVERYWHERE encourages BINGE Consumption ... Consider the "All You Can Eat" Buffet ... and the obscenely large Portions doled out in most Restaurants and Cafes ...


When my Sweetie-Spouse and I go out to eat, we almost ALWAYS share an Entre, which is more than enough for us ...

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 7:46PM #20
Ebon
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Jun 2, 2012 -- 7:25PM, rabello wrote:

Sounds right.  Over here, 8 ounces equals a standardized "cup" which is what all of our nutritional data are based on.   Most bottles, cans come in 12 ounce containers, but a lot of restaurants put soft drinks in large glasses that have to hold at least 24 fluid ounces (3 cups, or 2 cans/bottles of soda pop) -- with free re-fills.  That means a person could be drinking 3 or 4 bottles of pop at one meal.  And since waiters/waitresses often just bring the refill without asking the person if they want more, the person ends up not even paying attention to how much sugar they're drinking.  Places like 7-11 sell the Big Gulp which is at least 32 ounces (4 cups, or approx 3 bottles of pop).  It really is ridiculous.  Do they do this kind of thing in Europe?



Not usually. Normally, a single serving of, say, Coke will be somewhere between 250 and 330ml (around 8-12oz) and the largest serving most restaurents sell is 500ml (about 16oz). More usually, you'll be served your soft drink in a half-pint glass (284ml). Free refills are very unusual here. IIRC, Subway does them if you eat instore and maybe one or two local restaurents but none of the big chains does them. Even back when the fast food chains did supersize meals, I don't think the drinks went above about 600ml (most fast food chains no longer do supersize portions here). Because they have to be paid for, it's also very unusual for serving staff to bring a refill without being asked for it. In fact, the only place I've ever had that happen has been in casinos (I only drink soft drinks when I gamble in a formal setting because I always set myself a hard limit of what I can afford to lose and staying sobre helps me stick to that). 7-11 barely exists in the UK (I think there's a couple of stores in London still but nowhere else) but I don't think they sold Big Gulps here even when we had them. 

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum

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