May 27, 2012 -- 8:37PM, jane2 wrote:

Hi christine

 I fell about a month ago and the treatment has been worse than the real aftermath. I'm a tough ole bird, though.

The American Women Religious hold most of the cards and this irritates Rome no end; they are financially independent. Fifty years ago they were running big hospitals and colleges.They own substantial property in their own domaine and they tend to Gospel teaching. Many of my college professors studied in Europe; they were and are not easily intimidated.

I used the term back-benchers to describe the Curia--borrowed it from British parliamentary discussions--back-benchers tend to lack power. Rome now wants to use power to achieve its ends but the days of even ecclesiastical power in the hands of the few are gone forever. Too many of us know too much about Church history, yada, yada.

Jane

Well, I am sorry to hear that you fell and glad nothing worse happened!  You know those ads on TV, "HELP! I fell and can't get up!"  It is good to know you are up and about now.  You probably got more rest than you wanted!

May 28, 2012 -- 12:30AM, fodaoson wrote:

Did not the  protestant reformation begin over a scandal?  Selling indulgences?   Pope Alexander the VI acknowledged his daughter’s( the  infamous Lucrezia  Bogia ) son as his.  The Church history is full of sex and money scandals 

True but nothing new in the post.

May 28, 2012 -- 2:40AM, Roodog wrote:

May 28, 2012 -- 12:30AM, fodaoson wrote:

Did not the  protestant reformation begin over a scandal?  Selling indulgences?   Pope Alexander the VI acknowledged his daughter’s( the  infamous Lucrezia  Bogia ) son as his.  The Church history is full of sex and money scandals 

The "health and wealth" Gospel in some Protestant circles is every bit as bad, if not worse, than the sale of indulgences in the Late Medieval Church. Maybe Protestantism itself needs to be reformed!

Except for few individuals that seem to have no sexual urge whatsoever, it is unnatural for humans to stop having sex.  It's gotta come out some way, and usually finds a more deviant way when it is prevented because of all the psychic pressures involved in the celibacy.

May 28, 2012 -- 2:40AM, Roodog wrote:

May 28, 2012 -- 12:30AM, fodaoson wrote:

Did not the  protestant reformation begin over a scandal?  Selling indulgences?   Pope Alexander the VI acknowledged his daughter’s( the  infamous Lucrezia  Bogia ) son as his.  The Church history is full of sex and money scandals 

The "health and wealth" Gospel in some Protestant circles is every bit as bad, if not worse, than the sale of indulgences in the Late Medieval Church. Maybe Protestantism itself needs to be reformed!

The church for a long time preached poverty.  I don't know why the clergy did that, when they were getting wealthier and wealthier off the backs of others.  The real message of Jesus was community, and we are moving towards an agrarian system.  People are not going to pay attention to the government and the Vatican anymore.  They are going to go and do their own thing and stop supporting both.  The times they are a-changing.

I do not like to see people suffering and there will be a lot of that going around.  Whatever is in the many letters and documents that were leaked and in the book is going to be like a feast for vultures.  How can the Pope stop it? He can't.  Nostradamus was right, a mortal wound to the church in the End Times Prophesies.

May 28, 2012 -- 6:47PM, CharikIeia wrote:

May 28, 2012 -- 6:39PM, christine3 wrote:

... we are moving towards an agrarian system. 

Huh? What is that supposed to mean?

Methinks she is referring to a post industrial society once the world has burned itself out. Not unlike the Dark Ages after the Fall of Rome.