MM:

(1) Once again, I'm not claiming gays can't raise children well. Obviously, they do. As do step and adoptive parents.

Extensive resarch, not to mention, thousands of years of human experience demonstates:

(2) *Having both a mother and a father is important.

(3) *The differences between men and women result in complimentary strenghts, when it comes to parenting.

(4) *An opposite gender parent is important.

(5) *The biological parent-child bond is real and important.

(6) I'm not the one here denying something obvious. (gays can and do raise well-adusted children.)

(7) I'm merely pointing out, that trying to minimize, or completely dismiss, those four above points is extremely naive -- especially when all one is basing that assumption on is soft-science resarch in only the last couple of decades.

1.  You are saying that they can't raise children "as well" as heterosexual couples.  If you don't think so, then why trot out your "studies"?

2.  I don't believe anyone would dispute that.

3.  Sometimes...but not always.  Life is much more complicated than you seem to realize.  Who's naive again?

4.  Sometimes...but not always.

5.  Well Duh!!!  But not always.  Some children are bonded far more with their non-biological parents than those whose biological mommies and daddies are at home.

6.  Sure you are.  Or else why rebut that?  That's what WE'VE been saying.  Again, Duh!

7.  Nobody has done that.

Peace

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Jun 11, 2012 -- 12:48AM, mytmouse57 wrote:
 an example of a guy (or 1,000 guys) doing something horrible isn't really relevant to the main point -- general principle of the importance of both a mother and a father.

well you don't always have a mom and a dad with heterosexual parentage, plenty of women get pregnant from one night stands or etc., and like my mom pointed out in her case her mother died when she was 8 so she didn't have a mother most of her childhood and my point about what a total jackass my daughters father was is relevent she is much better off without him and with her outstanding grandfather as her male influence she'd be in worse shape would be having another totally negative influence if her real father was in her life, it would be a hindrance not a help.

Howdy 

While it appears to be true that the majority of people in the U.S.  support gays getting married when the issue has come to a vote among the people in 32 states they all failed to pass.

The people have spoken, democracy works? 

In the six states(?)that currently "allow"  same sex marriages-civil unions all were passed by the state legislatures in what some would claim, with at least  a degree of truth, were backdoor deals made behind closed doors. However other less controversal laws are passed in a similar fashion. 

If same sex marriages-civil unions are a human-cival right(and I think it is)then I see a problem with such rights being subject to votes and popularity contests-polls.  

Since a federal judge has declared a law prohibiting same sex marriage-civil unions as being un-constitutional  it appears that the question will go to the Supreme Court.   I have my doubts has to wether the current Supreme Court will rule to uphold the federal court decision.

And then there is the Defense Of Marriage Act. 

The law passed both houses of Congress by large majorities and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996. 

I am not postive but I do believe that the Democrats had majority in both the Senate and the House.  But to pass by a large majority would mean that more than one Democrap voted for the bill.  

However I am fairly certain tha Bill Clinton who signed the bill is a Democrat. 

So it is not just slack jawwed, inbreed, right-wing, homophobic Christianist Republicans who want to protect the civil-human right of hetro-sexual marriage.  

It is my understanding that Mitt Romney has said:

"I remain opposed to same-sex marriage. I believe marriage is an institution for the union of a man and a woman. This has been my long-standing position, and it is not being reviewed or reconsidered."^[

Which is not suprising since he is a right-wing Mormon. 

TRUECHRISTIAN:  The people have spoken, democracy works?

If democracy told you to jump headfirst into a nuclear reactor, would you?

Jun 11, 2012 -- 7:57PM, TRUECHRISTIAN wrote:

No one has the right to vote away someone else's rights. That is not how things work in a democratic republic.

Being a bigot does not give someone the right to take away or deny a citizens civil rights.

This is not a theocracy and no one should be denied rights based on someone else's religion.

I bet you would not like having your rights taken away because of someone else's religion.