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3 years ago  ::  May 16, 2012 - 10:43PM #11
mountain_man
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May 16, 2012 -- 10:02AM, Marcion wrote:

...Please let the professionals do their job. 


Why? Is it someone wrong for someone to make a comment or hold a belief on the murder of Trayvon? I could not care less what injuries the murderer had. He should not have gotten out of his car and should not have had a gun and should not have chased down Trayvon and he should not have attacked Trayvon. He should also have not called Trayvon a "coon." That's a whole lot of should not haves. He did them anyway and has to pay for it.


Of course Trayvon fought back when some guy that had no business to stop him started an attack. I'd fight back too.


Of course Zimmerman is lying to save his butt from the electric chair.


And as for "professionals" doing their job... well if they did Zimmerman would have been arrested on the spot. It is important that we keep pressure on these "professionals" to do their job right. Giving a "professional" free reign is not the American way.

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3 years ago  ::  May 16, 2012 - 10:45PM #12
mountain_man
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May 16, 2012 -- 1:47PM, Marcion wrote:

Obama is setting his federal dogs loose to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime. Is he that hard up for votes to grasp at straws.


They are INVESTIGATING as they should. I thought you said we should leave this in the hands of the professionals? Or is that only if that "professional" just happens to agree with you?

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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 9:27AM #13
Marcion
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May 16, 2012 -- 3:00PM, Yavanna wrote:


May 16, 2012 -- 1:47PM, Marcion wrote:


Obama is setting his federal dogs loose to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime. Is he that hard up for votes to grasp at straws.


Hate Crime, now there's a politically correct liberal zinger.


For instance if an individual has deep loathing for another person and kills him; he can not be charged with a "Hate Crime" because his victim was neither black nor gay. Forget that the motive for the crime was hatred.




You do realize it's possible to commit a hate crime against a heterosexual caucasian right? Even one that's a Christian?




Reread my post. Hate crimes are limited to minorities and gays. Many blacks are Christian-what's your point?


Can anyone define a Love Crime?

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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 9:32AM #14
teilhard
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Monica Lewinski and Bill Clinton ... ???


;-)


May 17, 2012 -- 9:27AM, Marcion wrote:


May 16, 2012 -- 3:00PM, Yavanna wrote:


May 16, 2012 -- 1:47PM, Marcion wrote:


Obama is setting his federal dogs loose to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime. Is he that hard up for votes to grasp at straws.


Hate Crime, now there's a politically correct liberal zinger.


For instance if an individual has deep loathing for another person and kills him; he can not be charged with a "Hate Crime" because his victim was neither black nor gay. Forget that the motive for the crime was hatred.




You do realize it's possible to commit a hate crime against a heterosexual caucasian right? Even one that's a Christian?




Reread my post. Hate crimes are limited to minorities and gays. Many blacks are Christian-what's your point?


Can anyone define a Love Crime?





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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 10:25AM #15
TPaine
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May 17, 2012 -- 9:32AM, teilhard wrote:


Monica Lewinski and Bill Clinton ... ???


;-)


May 17, 2012 -- 9:27AM, Marcion wrote:


May 16, 2012 -- 3:00PM, Yavanna wrote:


May 16, 2012 -- 1:47PM, Marcion wrote:


Obama is setting his federal dogs loose to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime. Is he that hard up for votes to grasp at straws.


Hate Crime, now there's a politically correct liberal zinger.


For instance if an individual has deep loathing for another person and kills him; he can not be charged with a "Hate Crime" because his victim was neither black nor gay. Forget that the motive for the crime was hatred.



You do realize it's possible to commit a hate crime against a heterosexual caucasian right? Even one that's a Christian?



Reread my post. Hate crimes are limited to minorities and gays. Many blacks are Christian-what's your point?


Can anyone define a Love Crime?




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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 10:39AM #16
TPaine
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May 16, 2012 -- 1:47PM, Marcion wrote:


Obama is setting his federal dogs loose to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime. Is he that hard up for votes to grasp at straws.


Hate Crime, now there's a politically correct liberal zinger.


For instance if an individual has deep loathing for another person and kills him; he can not be charged with a "Hate Crime" because his victim was neither black nor gay. Forget that the motive for the crime was hatred.



The definition of hate crime is:

hate crime : a crime that violates the victim's civil rights and that is motivated by hostility to the victim's race, religion, creed, national origin, sexual orientation, or gender. Link


Nowhere in that definition does it limit victims to blacks and gays.

The United States economy is like a poker game where the chips have become concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and where the other fellows can stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit runs out the game will stop. -- Marriner Eccles: Beckoning Frontiers (1951)
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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 10:47AM #17
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Wealthy people are more likely to be targeted for buglaries, robberies, home invasions or car jackings than other folks.


They are also frequently have prejoratives leveled against them -- "Fat cats," "Greedy bastards," "Trust fund babies," "the idle rich," etc. -- which could, arguably motivate some to attack and/or steal from them.


Perhaps "hate crime" protection should be extended to them too.

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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 10:51AM #18
Marcion
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May 17, 2012 -- 10:47AM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Wealthy people are more likely to be targeted for buglaries, robberies, home invasions or car jackings than other folks.


Perhaps "hate crime" protection should be extended to them too.




Yep ,like the Virginia couple that was targeted for their rare coin collection valued at half a million dollars. BTW they live in an upscale neighborhood.

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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 10:53AM #19
Marcion
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May 17, 2012 -- 10:39AM, TPaine wrote:


May 16, 2012 -- 1:47PM, Marcion wrote:


Obama is setting his federal dogs loose to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime. Is he that hard up for votes to grasp at straws.


Hate Crime, now there's a politically correct liberal zinger.


For instance if an individual has deep loathing for another person and kills him; he can not be charged with a "Hate Crime" because his victim was neither black nor gay. Forget that the motive for the crime was hatred.



The definition of hate crime is:

hate crime : a crime that violates the victim's civil rights and that is motivated by hostility to the victim's race, religion, creed, national origin, sexual orientation, or gender. Link


Nowhere in that definition does it limit victims to blacks and gays.




What about a crime motivated by hate but not defined as a hate crime.


I find the whole hate crime idea as silly.

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3 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 10:54AM #20
mytmouse57
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May 17, 2012 -- 10:51AM, Marcion wrote:


May 17, 2012 -- 10:47AM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Wealthy people are more likely to be targeted for buglaries, robberies, home invasions or car jackings than other folks.


Perhaps "hate crime" protection should be extended to them too.




Yep ,like the Virginia couple that was targeted for their rare coin collection valued at half a million dollars. BTW they live in an upscale neighborhood.




Well, of course. It's perfectly okay to terrorize and steal from people in upscale neighborhoods. They have easier lives than the rest of us. So, in a way, they've got it coming. Wink

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