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1 year ago  ::  May 14, 2012 - 7:38PM #1
Gillibrand
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13 months ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 2:24PM #2
Miraj
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There is nothing about Islam in this story.  There is certainly nothing unique to Islam about it.  Our members here are not obligated to explain the internal workings of the patently UnIslamic Iranian court system since just being Muslim doesn't mean we understand it ourselves.  This is a political issue, not a religious one.

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13 months ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 5:59PM #3
Shusha
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Miraj,


I probably do not know enough about what the term "fatwa" means.  It was my understanding it was a religious term. 

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13 months ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 6:48PM #4
Miraj
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May 23, 2012 -- 5:59PM, Shusha wrote:


Miraj,


I probably do not know enough about what the term "fatwa" means.  It was my understanding it was a religious term. 




Salaam, Shusha.


A fatwa is a legal opinion, and like other legal opinions, some of them stink.  A lot of them that get media attention are issued by folks who don't even have a license to practice law.  A legal opinion issued in Iran against someone not even under their jurisdiction is not in keeping with the tenets of Islamic law.  Also, what they do there is not binding on anyone that doesn't choose to follow it.  It's like how Canada has hate speech laws, but no one in another country is affected by them, so we can choose to ignore Canada's laws.


This fatwa condemns this guy for supposedly insulting a saint.  Most Muslims don't believe in saints because most Muslims are Sunni, not Shia.  Most Muslims don't believe in the infallibility of imams, either.  That's also a Shia thing.  I don't have anything against Shite Muslims, but there's no way I can explain their theology in this matter.


Overall, not everyone calling themselves a Muslim acts like a Muslim should act.  That's true of any group.  Just as ultra Orthodox Jews do unJudaic things that confound non-ultra Orthodox Jews, there are Muslims that excite non-Muslims a lot more than they excite us.  We're not associated with them, don't want to be and have no inside knowledge to explain why they do what they do.  That's not a proper expectation to have of us.


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13 months ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 9:22PM #5
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Hi Susha,  sister Miraj has it explained that Iranian Muslim (the shiite) has it explained quite well.   It is political and historical.  What I would like to add to that is that most Muslim and sunni majority countries the issuing of fatwa are undertaken by a council/community selected/elected from persons well grounded in Islamic/Quranic/hadith theology.  There was a historical background to the development of this council, that started after the wafat (death) of Prophet Muhammadsaw.   Although high regards were given to the well known (4) closest companions of the Prophet, in matters of theology there were several others who excelled above them.  And one of them (which I have forgotten the name) was frequently sent by the Prophet to engage with the Jews in Medina on theological (legal) matters.  And in the years following the death of the Prophet,  his companions maintained the norms of the Prophet.   Those early group of theologians were referred to as Ulama Anbiya (scolars/theologians of the Prophet).  Their modest operandi is on any legal matters the first reference of consultation was the Al-Quran.  Then after is the Prophet hadith/sunna.   Then following a verse in the Al-Quran, if matters cannot be decided, then consult you, between one and another (ijtihad) and leave it, in faith, to ALLAHswt.  In the early days when scholars/theologians weren't that many, the Muftis (heads of the religious authority in a state) were burdened totally to make a decision on all fatwas (religious edict) which was quite unfair and could be subjected to abuse by any political head of state.   Historically there was a good example of this in 1961 when the, then, dictatorial President of Tunisia, Habib Bourguiba, declared that Muslims don't observe the fasting in the month of Ramadhan because it reduced productivity.  He had it showcased in a live TV broadcast showing he and his cabinet ministers were enjoying their day meals.   Then after he instructed his mufti to explain it to the people in a separate broadcast.  And thru the wisdom of the mufti, the people of Tunisia were explained the truth, which is dead clear in the Al-Quran.   There is always a conflict of interest between a religious and state authority.   To a mufti or his fatwa council the balance is not between them and the state but between the ummah facing between the one below and the one above.  It is just making a double side tostaed tea cake.    

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13 months ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 1:04PM #6
sallum
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May 23, 2012 -- 5:59PM, Shusha wrote:


Miraj,


I probably do not know enough about what the term "fatwa" means.  It was my understanding it was a religious term. 






I probably do not know enough about what the term "fatwa" means.  It was my understanding it was a religious term


 


hi


Fatwa or Fatwah  is  one of Islamic Shariah’s  Item.


 Shariah means Islamic rules and regulation.


Shariah is between:


 What to do or to say and what not to do or not to say. ( do and do not do).


 


Since Islam is fitting with all times and stands without any critics in the  way of whole life of a believer,  although some people do not take it as true concept of “ fitness”  still  It does  have the most,  if not all of the logic and sufficient of a rule.


 

  • Islam never asks (request) but things are applicable, and this is the top most wisdom of asking.

 


For example: Islam asks his believers to pray 5 times each day and night according to particular formalities.


No drop is allowed whenever the chargeable adult believer is with conscious and lives on @ any part/time of this world even in the air, or even @ war times. No drop.


 


 if you look deeply you will see that: NO DROP: MEETS NOT EXCUSE. This meets in the same time, logic and sufficient.


 

  • Islam never courage for evil things and never stop fighting to bring  people away from.
  • People are believers and nonbelievers.
  • Man is subject to fault, to astray, and to forget as man is with changeable shape and changeable spot all the time, man with variable feature. 

Out of this Islam does understand and deal with this concept in a way to live well, that whatever the variability effect the man and whenever this man looks to live with good.


 


Islam with its rules and regulations helps people to continue to go safe with all falls and faults comes through. STILL believe will have chance to activate the good lives continual.


 


 Same as for first shaking steps of a baby little by little he gets the stable steps.


No act of give-up in all meanings is permitted.


 


Out of this I say Fatwah is one of the Items (responder units) of man’s life and Islam is his whole life.     


 


 salam

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 5:35PM #7
chevy956
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May 23, 2012 -- 2:24PM, Miraj wrote:

There is nothing about Islam in this story.  There is certainly nothing unique to Islam about it.  Our members here are not obligated to explain the internal workings of the patently UnIslamic Iranian court system since just being Muslim doesn't mean we understand it ourselves.  This is a political issue, not a religious one.


Exactly wrong. As it is being issued by a religious court, it certainly is a religious issue. Iranians claim to be Muslims too. They are all your poster children for Islam in lieu of your prophet making a return appearance. Stop pretending that they somehow don't represent Islam, because they certainly represent the views of millions of Muslims


Sad that you don't have the courage to admit that there are elements of Islam that simply stink to high heaven and have no place in civilized society

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