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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 6:39PM #1
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Marissa Alexander, 31, of Jacksonville, Florida, has been sentenced to twenty years in prison, without parole, for firing warning shots at her husband who she claimed was trying to strangle her.

www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fl...

Evidently, there is this law in Florida which states that anybody convicted of aggravated assault when a firearm is discharged must serve a minimum of twenty years in prison with no regard to extenuating circumstances.  

But there is also a law called 'stand your ground' in which a person is allowed to defend him/herself if threatened.   

www.news4jax.com/news/20-year-sentence-f...

I don't understand this case.  Aren't there laws in America to protect battered women?

www.vaw.umn.edu/documents/protect/protec...

Why should this mother be penalised for trying to protect herself?   

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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 7:00PM #2
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May 12, 2012 -- 6:39PM, solfeggio wrote:

Marissa Alexander, 31, of Jacksonville, Florida, has been sentenced to twenty years in prison, without parole, for firing warning shots at her husband who she claimed was trying to strangle her.

www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fl...

Evidently, there is this law in Florida which states that anybody convicted of aggravated assault when a firearm is discharged must serve a minimum of twenty years in prison with no regard to extenuating circumstances.  

But there is also a law called 'stand your ground' in which a person is allowed to defend him/herself if threatened.   

www.news4jax.com/news/20-year-sentence-f...

I don't understand this case.  Aren't there laws in America to protect battered women?

www.vaw.umn.edu/documents/protect/protec...

Why should this mother be penalised for trying to protect herself?   




20 years for firing a warning shot?


She should have killed him!


 

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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 7:36PM #3
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May 12, 2012 -- 6:39PM, solfeggio wrote:

Marissa Alexander, 31, of Jacksonville, Florida, has been sentenced to twenty years in prison, without parole, for firing warning shots at her husband who she claimed was trying to strangle her.

www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fl...

Evidently, there is this law in Florida which states that anybody convicted of aggravated assault when a firearm is discharged must serve a minimum of twenty years in prison with no regard to extenuating circumstances.  

But there is also a law called 'stand your ground' in which a person is allowed to defend him/herself if threatened.   

www.news4jax.com/news/20-year-sentence-f...

I don't understand this case.  Aren't there laws in America to protect battered women?

www.vaw.umn.edu/documents/protect/protec...

Why should this mother be penalised for trying to protect herself?   



women are not as important as men, and the conservatives have been whittling away at protections for women.

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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 7:46PM #4
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May 12, 2012 -- 6:39PM, solfeggio wrote:

Marissa Alexander, 31, of Jacksonville, Florida, has been sentenced to twenty years in prison, without parole, for firing warning shots at her husband who she claimed was trying to strangle her.

www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fl...

Evidently, there is this law in Florida which states that anybody convicted of aggravated assault when a firearm is discharged must serve a minimum of twenty years in prison with no regard to extenuating circumstances.  

But there is also a law called 'stand your ground' in which a person is allowed to defend him/herself if threatened.   

www.news4jax.com/news/20-year-sentence-f...

I don't understand this case.  Aren't there laws in America to protect battered women?

www.vaw.umn.edu/documents/protect/protec...

Why should this mother be penalised for trying to protect herself?   



Yeah, for twenty years I want a body. The judge apparently ruled that her life couldn't have been in danger because she went back in the house for her keys; he declared those were the actions of someone who was in imminent danger.


Of course I'd like to see him in the same situation and then realize he forgot his car keys...

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2 years ago  ::  May 15, 2012 - 4:38PM #5
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A perfect example of why, in spite of popularity, minimum sentences are a broken idea.

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2 years ago  ::  May 15, 2012 - 11:46PM #6
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IMO....Florida is one messed up state when it comes to the laws, cases and verdicts there.


Another unreal story out of Florida.  Yell

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2 years ago  ::  May 16, 2012 - 2:27AM #7
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May 15, 2012 -- 11:46PM, Stardove wrote:


IMO....Florida is one messed up state when it comes to the laws, cases and verdicts there.


Another unreal story out of Florida. 



It's on my list of states to avoid. Wink

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2 years ago  ::  May 19, 2012 - 2:51PM #8
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What I find hypocritical is that according to Florida law if you follow, confront, and kill a 17-year-old kid it's self defense under the Stand Your Ground law, but when you fire a warning shot to keep your husband from beating the crap out of you that law doesn't apply and you get sentenced to 20 years in prison.

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2 years ago  ::  May 19, 2012 - 2:55PM #9
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May 19, 2012 -- 2:51PM, TPaine wrote:


What I find hypocritical is that according to Florida law if you follow, confront, and kill a 17-year-old kid it's self defense under the Stand Your Ground law, but when you fire a warning shot to keep your husband from beating the crap out of you that law doesn't apply and you get sentenced to 20 years in prison.




Exactly.


Women have less and less protection. Look at the fight right now in congress with the domestic violence protection law.


Those in charge don't consider women worth anything, how dare she try and prevent a man from beating her to death. Men have all the rights. The United States is fast moving back in time, thousands of years. Back to women being slaves, chattel.


Of course she does not have the right to defend herself.

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2 years ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 7:38PM #10
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If Ms Jackson had been white, she most likely would not get 20 years, she may have just gotten probation. Now couple this with the handling of the Zimmerman case. The State of Florida is giving their Black community the finger and is throwing the gauntlet down before them. They want justification to enact draconian measures to keep the minorities in line.


The same thing is going on in Texas. They threw the book at a 56 year old Hispanic woman who had no priors. Life without parole. Also, a jury acquitted some police for beating a black man down in Houston.


Call me suspicious, but someone is trying to set the clock back to the bad ol' days.

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