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2 years ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 12:09AM #41
TENAC
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May 2, 2012 -- 11:35PM, costrel wrote:


May 2, 2012 -- 11:30PM, TENAC wrote:

Wonderful! 


So obama is now Catholic, or he lifted the Progress slogan from the Catholic church? 


Many people on the left will lament that it only gives the right something to plant into the minds of the American public to use against him as a sledge hammer.  I have no problem with that.  But I more think its classic obama.  Telling you exactly where he is.


Using Progress in the name of Catholicism doesnt quite ring the same as obama choosing Progress for his campaign slogan.  After all, he only feels it right to spread the wealth around a little.....eh?


What the hell are you even talking about? Are you saying that you agree with my sarcastic post that the Catholic Church is Socialist because one parish in my state uses the word forward




No, not at all.  I didnt even go to your link, there was no need.  I didnt doubt you. 


Depends on who is using the word Forward.  obama draws a lot from the marxist professors he sought out while in school.  Read Dreams of My Father.  So for him it is no stretch at all to see where obama might draw that from.


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2 years ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 4:53AM #42
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May  3, 2012 -- 12:30AM, TENAC wrote:

Wonderful!


So obama is now Catholic, or he lifted the Progress slogan from the Catholic church?


Many people on the left will lament that it only gives the right something to plant into the minds of the American public to use against him as a sledge hammer.  I have no problem with that.  But I more think its classic obama.  Telling you exactly where he is.


Using Progress in the name of Catholicism doesnt quite ring the same as obama choosing Progress for his campaign slogan.  After all, he only feels it right to spread the wealth around a little.....eh?



All politicians and advertisers use forward, improvement, getting better, progress, new, etc, as slogans. 


 I don't know anyone who uses  backwards, retreat, old, outdated, etc.

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2 years ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 8:11AM #43
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May 2, 2012 -- 11:35PM, costrel wrote:


May 2, 2012 -- 11:30PM, TENAC wrote:

Wonderful! 


So obama is now Catholic, or he lifted the Progress slogan from the Catholic church? 


Many people on the left will lament that it only gives the right something to plant into the minds of the American public to use against him as a sledge hammer.  I have no problem with that.  But I more think its classic obama.  Telling you exactly where he is.


Using Progress in the name of Catholicism doesnt quite ring the same as obama choosing Progress for his campaign slogan.  After all, he only feels it right to spread the wealth around a little.....eh?


What the hell are you even talking about? Are you saying that you agree with my sarcastic post that the Catholic Church is Socialist because one parish in my state uses the word forward





It's revealing that sober-as-a-judge Wingoism does not grasp that it's still, well, Wingoism. 

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2 years ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 8:19AM #44
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May 3, 2012 -- 12:09AM, TENAC wrote:

Depends on who is using the word Forward.  obama draws a lot from the marxist professors he sought out while in school.  Read Dreams of My Father.  So for him it is no stretch at all to see where obama might draw that from.


"Drawing a lot" or being inspired by something like Marxism does't make one a Marxist. I continually draw upon the knowledge of Buddhist and Christian monasticism, especially lately from the Gethsemani Encounter III's series of talks on monasticism and the environment published in book form under the title Green Monasticism, but I am not a Christian, a Buddhist, or a monastic. Likewise, in graduate school, I was also inspired by Marxist literary theory, and "drew upon it" in some of the papers that I wrote, but I am not a Marxist or a Marxist literary theorist. In addition, in graduate school, I was inspired by Existentialism, particularly the French atheistic form of Jean-Paul Sartre, but I am not an Existentialist. Finally, I find much of value in Buddhism, but I am not a Buddhist. 


A person who goes to college and who gets a higher education, particularly at a liberal arts college, should be challenged by ideas that he or she has not encountered before. He or she should be inspired by certain ideas, philosophies, and theories; should find something beneficial about those ideas, philosophies, and theories; should even incorporate certain aspects of those ideas, philosophies, and theories into his or her own life and thinking without "converting to" a way of thinking, a philosophy, a literary theory, etc. That is what college is about. Have you never been inspired by an idea or drawn from the wisdom of something without actually "converting" to or "becoming" that something? I'm sure you have. 

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2 years ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 8:38AM #45
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May 3, 2012 -- 8:19AM, costrel wrote:


May 3, 2012 -- 12:09AM, TENAC wrote:

Depends on who is using the word Forward.  obama draws a lot from the marxist professors he sought out while in school.  Read Dreams of My Father.  So for him it is no stretch at all to see where obama might draw that from.


"Drawing a lot" or being inspired by something like Marxism does't make one a Marxist. I continually draw upon the knowledge of Buddhist and Christian monasticism, especially lately from the Gethsemani Encounter III's series of talks on monasticism and the environment published in book form under the title Green Monasticism, but I am not a Christian, a Buddhist, or a monastic. Likewise, in graduate school, I was also inspired by Marxist literary theory, and "drew upon it" in some of the papers that I wrote, but I am not a Marxist or a Marxist literary theorist. In addition, in graduate school, I was inspired by Existentialism, particularly the French atheistic form of Jean-Paul Sartre, but I am not an Existentialist. Finally, I find much of value in Buddhism, but I am not a Buddhist. 


A person who goes to college and who gets a higher education, particularly at a liberal arts college, should be challenged by ideas that he or she has not encountered before. He or she should be inspired by certain ideas, philosophies, and theories; should find something beneficial about those ideas, philosophies, and theories; should even incorporate certain aspects of those ideas, philosophies, and theories into his or her own life and thinking without "converting to" a way of thinking, a philosophy, a literary theory, etc. That is what college is about. Have you never been inspired by an idea or drawn from the wisdom of something without actually "converting" to or "becoming" that something? I'm sure you have. 




Good for you!  You are not the president of the United States!


My gosh have you read Marx?  And that is inspiring?  And what has constantly be the result of Marxism?  Dictatorship.  Oppression of people.  Failure!  Where has it worked?!



I do try not to be inspired by things that I consider bad, perhaps only to be inspired to speak out or fight against them.  Marxism is certainly the enemy of capitalism.  And is a failed philosophy/ideology.  So it concerns me when it inspires the president.  It concerms me more that he might embrace it.

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2 years ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 11:32AM #46
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Tenac, do you think there's any chance that you have an unhealthy obsession with that guy in the White House?

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2 years ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 11:35AM #47
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Ironically, it is precisely (AGAIN) The Capitalist Robber Baron Feudal OverLords who make "Marxism" appear reasonable and appealing ...


May 3, 2012 -- 8:38AM, TENAC wrote:


May 3, 2012 -- 8:19AM, costrel wrote:


May 3, 2012 -- 12:09AM, TENAC wrote:

Depends on who is using the word Forward.  obama draws a lot from the marxist professors he sought out while in school.  Read Dreams of My Father.  So for him it is no stretch at all to see where obama might draw that from.


"Drawing a lot" or being inspired by something like Marxism does't make one a Marxist. I continually draw upon the knowledge of Buddhist and Christian monasticism, especially lately from the Gethsemani Encounter III's series of talks on monasticism and the environment published in book form under the title Green Monasticism, but I am not a Christian, a Buddhist, or a monastic. Likewise, in graduate school, I was also inspired by Marxist literary theory, and "drew upon it" in some of the papers that I wrote, but I am not a Marxist or a Marxist literary theorist. In addition, in graduate school, I was inspired by Existentialism, particularly the French atheistic form of Jean-Paul Sartre, but I am not an Existentialist. Finally, I find much of value in Buddhism, but I am not a Buddhist. 


A person who goes to college and who gets a higher education, particularly at a liberal arts college, should be challenged by ideas that he or she has not encountered before. He or she should be inspired by certain ideas, philosophies, and theories; should find something beneficial about those ideas, philosophies, and theories; should even incorporate certain aspects of those ideas, philosophies, and theories into his or her own life and thinking without "converting to" a way of thinking, a philosophy, a literary theory, etc. That is what college is about. Have you never been inspired by an idea or drawn from the wisdom of something without actually "converting" to or "becoming" that something? I'm sure you have. 




Good for you!  You are not the president of the United States!


My gosh have you read Marx?  And that is inspiring?  And what has constantly be the result of Marxism?  Dictatorship.  Oppression of people.  Failure!  Where has it worked?!



I do try not to be inspired by things that I consider bad, perhaps only to be inspired to speak out or fight against them.  Marxism is certainly the enemy of capitalism.  And is a failed philosophy/ideology.  So it concerns me when it inspires the president.  It concerms me more that he might embrace it.





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