Man alive, are Americans black and white thinkers or not!  And suspicious, too.  

Either we strip the earth bare with mining and employ large numbers of people in one of the most dangerous jobs on earth, or we ban mining and let "the people" starve.

Either we allow Canadians to beat baby seals in the head with clubs till they are dead or dying in the hope of having full employment and thriving (or is it writhing??) "industry" without saying a word about it, or we save the baby seals like a bunch of wusses, and let "the people" starve.

No middle ground, nothing to learn from those who oppose just brutal practices (mining included) and supposedly assume they are "morally superior", just go shopping like Dubya says to do.  Don't worry, be happy. 

And am I to believe that the Canadian government pays hunters to go out and pummel baby seals with clubs, or that these hunters are hourly wage earners by some employer somewhere?      

Social Darwinism has such strange effects on the body politic, doesn't it?

Rabello is right:

The ethics of social Darwinism are both subjective and also relativistic.  Societies like those in Canada that continue to pursue the clubbing of seals claim that this will advance their society by providing jobs for people. 

They may consider this a noble goal, but it still runs into conflict with any thinking person's innate sense of right and wrong.  Murdering baby seals for their fur is morally abhorrent.  The end - in this case, providing jobs - does not in any way justify the means here.

Apr 26, 2012 -- 6:18PM, solfeggio wrote:

Rabello is right:

The ethics of social Darwinism are both subjective and also relativistic.  Societies like those in Canada that continue to pursue the clubbing of seals claim that this will advance their society by providing jobs for people. 

They may consider this a noble goal, but it still runs into conflict with any thinking person's innate sense of right and wrong.  Murdering baby seals for their fur is morally abhorrent.  The end - in this case, providing jobs - does not in any way justify the means here.

I doubt it "provides jobs" anyway, just like the dolphin slaughter doesn't "provide jobs" for the Japanese.  It does provide "profit", though, to those who are brutal enough people to do it.  

Howdy Rabello

Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:48PM, rabello wrote:

Man alive, are Americans black and white thinkers or not!  And suspicious, too.  

Unlike New Zealanders and others who live under the rainbow. 

Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:48PM, rabello wrote:

 

Either we strip the earth bare with mining and employ large numbers of people in one of the most dangerous jobs on earth, or we ban mining and let "the people" starve.

Either brutally  murdering baby seals is good or it is evil.  

"They may consider this a noble goal, but it still runs into conflict with any thinking person's innate sense of right and wrong.  Murdering baby seals for their fur is morally abhorrent.  The end - in this case, providing jobs - does not in any way justify the means here"

Either we rape mother earth for its minerals or we let the rapist starve. 

Either we brutally murder  baby seals or we let the

Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:48PM, rabello wrote:

Either we allow Canadians to beat baby seals in the head with clubs till they are dead or dying in the hope of having full employment and thriving (or is it writhing??) "industry" without saying a word about it, or we save the baby seals like a bunch of wusses, and let "the people" starve.

Either we don't allow  Canadians to beat baby seals in the head with clubs till they are dead or dying in the hope of having increasing employment and thriving  "industry" without saying a word about it, or we save the baby seals like a bunch of wusses, and let "the people" starve.

I don't think that it is up to "we"(people other than Canadians who live under the rainbow)to not allow Canadians to increase employment in Canada by not allowing them to brutally murder baby seals.  I also don't think that the brutal murderers will starve if the effort of the Canadian gov't to increase employment fails.   

Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:48PM, rabello wrote:

No middle ground, nothing to learn from those who oppose just brutal practices (mining included) and supposedly assume they are "morally superior", just go shopping like Dubya says to do.  Don't worry, be happy. 

No, you more than you would assume that those who are oppose such brutal practices are "morally superior."   No more than you would assume that you cannot learn anything from those who are in favor of just brutal practices.  

Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:48PM, rabello wrote:

   

And am I to believe that the Canadian government pays hunters to go out and pummel baby seals with clubs, or that these hunters are hourly wage earners by some employer somewhere?      

Social Darwinism has such strange effects on the body politic, doesn't it?

I don't know wether the Canadian gov't pays inhuman brutal hunters by the hour or by the seal to club baby seals.  

I don't think it really makes much of a difference either way.  

I do understand the reasons that people oppose the hunting of baby seals, and I also understand why the Canadian gov't wants to increase employment 

As I previously posted, I doubt that the plan by the Canadian gov't to increase employment in the baby seal murdering industry will succeed.  I have no plans to either buy a seal coat or to eat baby seals.   

The questions that I would ask is wether or not human beings are morally superior to nonhuman specie or are all species of animals morally equal?  

Apr 27, 2012 -- 11:06AM, IDBC wrote:

Unlike......others who live under the rainbow. 

Apr 27, 2012 -- 11:06AM, IDBC wrote:

The questions that I would ask is wether or not human beings are morally superior to nonhuman specie or are all species of animals morally equal?  

Morally and biologically speaking: yes all of life is morally equal and human beings are not morally superior.

I would also say, as an aside, the human beings have proven they are not morally superior to anything at all, the way we lie and manipulate, tolerate injustice and brutality -- even against other human beings, act brutally and start wars just because we can.