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1 year ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 7:03PM #111
Erey
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, solfeggio wrote:



(For some reason, people who are anti-vegetarian/vegan like to bring up the Hitler/vegetarian stuff to make some sort of 'point,' I guess about the vegetarian lifestyle being evil...or something.)


 




There is not one person here who is anti-vegetarian. 


In the meantime almost all of us have done one of these:


1. gone vegetarian for a time


are vegetarian


have close friends or family that are vegetarian



I don't think any of us has a hard time being supportive of vegetarians.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 7:08PM #112
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Oh, piffle.


The facts speak for themselves.  And the facts have been posted again and again and yet again in threads that have anything to do with diet. 


Shoot the messenger seems to be the message we see so often in any thread that has anything whatsoever to do with trying to get people to see a different paradigm.



 


 

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 7:39PM #113
teilhard
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I just saw Part of an Episode of Andrew Zimmern's Food Show, in which he visited a fancy Restaurant in Toronto ... They DO Seal Meat in Canada, so the Little Critters are NOT entirely "wasted" -- just KILLED ...

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 7:41PM #114
teilhard
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My Family and I don't EAT "Paradigms" ... We eat FOOD ... a VARIETY, in Moderation ...


Don't like that ... ??? Tough (though longer slower Cooking often can render it deliciously TENDER ... !!!)


Apr 25, 2012 -- 7:08PM, solfeggio wrote:


Oh, piffle.  Who the hell cares whether anybody perceives vegans as arrogant or rude or whatever nonsense somebody cares to whine about?


The facts speak for themselves.  And the facts have been posted again and again and yet again in threads that have anything to do with diet. 


Shoot the messenger seems to be the message we see so often in any thread that has anything whatsoever to do with trying to get people to see a different paradigm.


You don't like the message?  Tough.


You don't like the way I talk?  Tough again.


 


 





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1 year ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 7:59PM #115
IDBC
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Howdy Solf


 


Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, solfeggio wrote:


Well, the thing is that somebody once observed that in any thread in any forum at any time, sooner or later, somebody will at some time make mention of Hitler.


I hadn't seen this happen in quite awhile, so I was surprised to see it pop up in the seal slaughter thread, of all places.


(For some reason, people who are anti-vegetarian/vegan like to bring up the Hitler/vegetarian stuff to make some sort of 'point,' I guess about the vegetarian lifestyle being evil...or something.)


 




Well the thing is if somebody does it and your do it then you shouldn't be suprised about  how weird that a thread that started out talking about the Canadian harp seal slaughter should have morphed into talking about Hitler as a vegetarian. 


Apr 14, 2012 -- 8:06PM, solfeggio wrote:


The cruel seal-slaughtering season in Canada, in which helpless seal pups are shot and clubbed for their fur, has started - even though there is no market for the fur anymore. 



www.sealharvest.ca/site/


As demand continues low, seal skins are stockpiled and selling for only $18 apiece. 



There is a market for the fur.  The market is currently low.  


 


Apr 14, 2012 -- 8:06PM, solfeggio wrote:


The cruel seal-slaughtering season in Canada, in which helpless seal pups are shot and clubbed for their fur, has started - even though there is no market for the fur anymore. 
www.sealharvest.ca/site/


 As demand continues low, seal skins are stockpiled and selling for only $18 apiece.  The biggist buyer of seal skins, Russia, has now banned their import. www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamer...
Even the people of Newfoundland want the killing to stop.
www.hsi.org/world/canada/news/releases/2...  
The slaughter is horrible in the extreme.
www.hsicanada.ca/pdfs/inherently-inhuman...  


 


So, the question is: Why does the government want to continue with it?



And the answer is to revive the market and employment.  


Will they succeed?   


I wouldn't risk any money investing in the industry. 


I would certainly agree that the slaughter is horrible.     I wouldn't do it.   And its has been awhile since I have either eaten seal meat or wore a fur coat.  


 


 


 


 






The biggist buyer of seal skins, Russia, has now banned their import. www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamer...
Even the people of Newfoundland want the killing to stop.
www.hsi.org/world/canada/news/releases/2...  
The slaughter is horrible in the extreme.
www.hsicanada.ca/pdfs/inherently-inhuman...   So, the question is: Why does the government want to continue with it?






  


 




 

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 10:13PM #116
IDBC
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Howdy Solf


Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, solfeggio wrote:


Well, the thing is that somebody once observed that in any thread in any forum at any time, sooner or later, somebody will at some time make mention of Hitler. [/quote\


 I have seen many threads and forums in which Hitler was NOT  mentioned.      


 


Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, solfeggio wrote:


I hadn't seen this happen in quite awhile, so I was surprised to see it pop up in the seal slaughter thread, of all places.-



If it is true that somebody once observed that in any thread and in any forum at any time, sooner or later, somebody will at some time make mention of Hitler it should not suprise you that in this thread and this forum somebody would mention Hitler. 


In some threads and forums mention is often made of Israel  and oilarchy when it is little or no relevance to the topic of the thread.  


 


 


Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, solfeggio wrote:


(For some reason, people who are anti-vegetarian/vegan like to bring up the Hitler/vegetarian stuff to make some sort of 'point,' I guess about the vegetarian lifestyle being evil...or something.)


 




The point that those people are trying to make is that being a vegetarian does not prevent a person from being evil or something.  Being a vegetarian or a vegan at best only means that a person does not cause suffering to animals.  As for Hitler and vegetarianism


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_v...


wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_Dalai_Lama_a_v...


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  • The Dalai Lama used to be a strict vegetarian, but is not a strict vegetarian now. The Dalai Lama was very impressed with an Indian vegetarian in the 1960's, and became vegetarian for about two years. Unfortunately, he contracted hepatitis, and under doctor's suggestions began eating meat again. Tibetan Buddhists are not strict vegetarians, as it is difficult to grow vegetables and grains in the Himalayas.


However being a vegetarian or a vegan has little or no relevance to the Original Post. 


The answer to the question in the Original Post


"Why does the(Candian) government want to continue with it?"


 is that it wants to revive the business of seal hunting.  It wants to increase empoyment.  That is a fact.  


To paraphrase Micheal Corelone:


"It's not personal Solf, it's business, strictly business."  


Personally I have doubts that the Canadian Gov't will be successful in its attempt to revive seal hunting. 


Personally I have never eaten a seal, not worn a seal fur.   Nor do I have any intention of doing either.  


 


 


 


  




 

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 8:34AM #117
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, solfeggio wrote:


Well, the thing is that somebody once observed that in any thread in any forum at any time, sooner or later, somebody will at some time make mention of Hitler.


I hadn't seen this happen in quite awhile, so I was surprised to see it pop up in the seal slaughter thread, of all places.


(For some reason, people who are anti-vegetarian/vegan like to bring up the Hitler/vegetarian stuff to make some sort of 'point,' I guess about the vegetarian lifestyle being evil...or something.)


 




Well, in this case, it wasn't an anti-vegetarian that brought up Hitler, it was Arielg who claimed Hitler was morally superior to meat-eaters.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 9:27AM #118
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Howdy Girlchristian


Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, solfeggio wrote:


Well, the thing is that somebody once observed that in any thread in any forum at any time, sooner or later, somebody will at some time make mention of Hitler.


I hadn't seen this happen in quite awhile, so I was surprised to see it pop up in the seal slaughter thread, of all places.


(For some reason, people who are anti-vegetarian/vegan like to bring up the Hitler/vegetarian stuff to make some sort of 'point,' I guess about the vegetarian lifestyle being evil...or something.)


 




Apr 26, 2012 -- 8:34AM, Girlchristian wrote:


Well, in this case, it wasn't an anti-vegetarian that brought up Hitler, it was Arielg who claimed Hitler was morally superior to meat-eaters.




Which still has nothing to do with Original Post.  


Girlchristian why do you think that the Canadian gov't wants to subsidize the hunting of seals?   




 

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 10:06AM #119
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 9:27AM, IDBC wrote:


Howdy Girlchristian


Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, solfeggio wrote:


Well, the thing is that somebody once observed that in any thread in any forum at any time, sooner or later, somebody will at some time make mention of Hitler.


I hadn't seen this happen in quite awhile, so I was surprised to see it pop up in the seal slaughter thread, of all places.


(For some reason, people who are anti-vegetarian/vegan like to bring up the Hitler/vegetarian stuff to make some sort of 'point,' I guess about the vegetarian lifestyle being evil...or something.)


 




Apr 26, 2012 -- 8:34AM, Girlchristian wrote:


Well, in this case, it wasn't an anti-vegetarian that brought up Hitler, it was Arielg who claimed Hitler was morally superior to meat-eaters.




Which still has nothing to do with Original Post.  


Girlchristian why do you think that the Canadian gov't wants to subsidize the hunting of seals?   




 




Hi IDBC! For the same reasons you do, to increase employment and because the money from seal hunting is vital to those that are hunters and to the economy. A study in 2009 showed that 6 out of 10 Canadians approved of seal hunting and 6 out of 10 understood the economic importance of seal hunting. Seal hunting isn't just about furs and meat, it also includes seal oil, which is sold as a long-chain Omega 3 source.


In 2009, the World Wildlife Fund stated that the seal population was at a record high and in no danger of extinction from the hunting. Since then, the WWF states that the number of seals is at an even higher level and still not in danger with the current 'harvesting' (i.e., hunting) practices.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 10:08AM #120
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Well, in this case, it wasn't an anti-vegetarian that brought up Hitler, it was Arielg who claimed Hitler was morally superior to meat-eaters.


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You keep insisting on this stupid interpretation  even though I pointed out more than once what is  it that was said.  I was talking about  the ethics of what what one eats, not judging any person.


One can be an evil person and have  more ethical  eating habits than those of a saint. Some people can be  really dense.  Go and read again what was said  and stop repeating lies.

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