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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 12:14AM #181
teilhard
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And ... Our BEST Choices are made REASONABLY rather than on Basis of a hyped-up over-wrought emotionalistic Appeal based on The Big Brown Eyes of The Cute Little Helpless Innocent Baby Seals ...


Apr 29, 2012 -- 12:10AM, rabello wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 11:57PM, christzen wrote:


Apr 15, 2012 -- 1:54PM, rabello wrote:


The only reason "man" is the "apex predator" is that he has to use tricks and weapons to kill whatever he wants dead....doesn't have the physical adaptations to go at it mano-to-animano




 


It's called intelligence.And it is what makes us the apex predator.It is also what will kill us off in the end.




True enough.  And with that intelligence comes to ability to make a choice, too.





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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 12:38AM #182
rabello
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No...the "best" choices are those which cause the least amount of harm/suffering/damage to other living things.  "Emotionalism" having nothing to do with it.  If you think cuddly little furry creatures deserve to die a violent death because some man can make money off its fur, even though there's a such thing as fake fur in the modern world that is indistiguishable, that's your business.  More people throughout the world, including unemotional men, disagree with that -- and it will be those people who finally put an end to the slaughter of baby seals, dolphins, whales, etc for their bodies or body parts, not for their "food"

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 12:47AM #183
christzen
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Apr 29, 2012 -- 12:06AM, rabello wrote:


That's because people who are prochoice understand that banning abortion will not stop abortion and just puts the lives of women, some of whom are mothers with children to raise, in danger. 




 


Oh,I understand pro choicers having a rationale for holding  their position.It doesn't change the irony of being pro "don't kill baby seals" while simultaneously being pro "terminate your unborn child if it suits you".

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 1:11AM #184
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Oh, boy, oh, boy - abortion rights somehow has made its way into the discussion.


As a firm believer in pro-choice myself, I see nothing wrong with a woman terminating a pregnancy in the early stages when the supposed 'human' is nothing more than a zygote or an embryo.


I don't see why a woman who has been raped, or a woman whose health would be in danger if she carried a fetus to term should not be able to have an abortion.  The rights of a woman come before those of a zygote, embryo, or even a fetus.


It's her body, and it is up to her to decide what to do with it.


So, yeah, I'm a card-carrying atheist who believes in animal rights and women's rights, think LGBT people should be able to get married if they want (or do anything else they want - because what consenting adults do in private that doesn't hurt anybody is nobody else's business), think socialism is a good system, and always vote Labour (which would be the Democratic party to you).


And, where seals are concerned, I don't give a hoot whether they are cute and cuddly or sweet little babies or anything else.  The bottom line is that nobody needs their fur, nobody needs their meat, and nobody needs a job so bad that they have to kill seals to make a living.


 


 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 1:55AM #185
christzen
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Apr 29, 2012 -- 1:11AM, solfeggio wrote:


Oh, boy, oh, boy - abortion rights somehow has made its way into the discussion.




 


Not to debate abortion rights,but merely as a juxtaposition showing the concern of a particular segment of society for the lives of animals while simultaneously having no concern for the lives of unborn humans.


 


As I said,a strange combination.


 




 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 9:42PM #186
IDBC
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Howdy Rabello


Apr 28, 2012 -- 11:54PM, rabello wrote:


Being against the slaughter of baby harp seals is hardly an indication of black-and-white thinking, and the reaction such a thing elicits is the opposite from "zeal". 



The slaughter of baby seals is not a black and white to those who oppose the murder of this poor innocent babies by brutally using nail spiked clubs and hitting them in the head is pure black.   


I would imagine that though bloody it would relatively quick if not instaneous. It is my understanding that the reason for using a club to the head is to prevent damage to the seal fur.  


But everybody knows that the "real" reason that the Canaidiaon gov't is sponsoring the brutal mass murder and genocide  of the harp seals is to stop them from brutally murdering fish and eathing the fish that the fishermen want to brutally murder and selling for profit and riches.  


Instead of brutally murdering baby seals and fish for fun and profit when they could easily get re-educated and move.   They could grow soy beans make tofu and save the world.   


You can't get much more whiter then growing soy beans and making some yummy tofu. 


Those who oppose the right of women to brutally murder their own fetuses use some of the same tactics as those who murder baby seals.   They would use bloody gruesome pictures and paint the entire abortion industry as black profit making industry.


    


 


 


 


 


 


I would think that those who oppose advocates of the humane treatment of animals would come up with a different counterargument than the tired old equivalent of "your mother wears combat boots" to express their opposition.   It's ok not to care about the seals, or the dolphins, or the whales, or the moutain gorillas, or the siberian tigers, or the elephants, or the wolves, or the prairie dogs, etc, and since it's ok not to care, that's all one really needs to say:  "I don't care and I don't care that you care".





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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 10:09PM #187
teilhard
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Our "Modern" Human (distinctly DYS-Functional) Relationship to the REST of Nature is rapidly becoming ever more obvious and TRAGIC ...


Trying SERIOUSLY to HEAL that broken Relaionship will require BOTH our "Hearts" AND our "Minds" to be changed and engaged, for sure ...

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 10:19PM #188
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Howdy Teil


Apr 29, 2012 -- 10:09PM, teilhard wrote:


Our "Modern" Human (distinctly DYS-Functional) Relationship to the REST of Nature is rapidly becoming ever more obvious and TRAGIC ...


Trying SERIOUSLY to HEAL that broken Relaionship will require BOTH our "Hearts" AND our "Minds" to be changed and engaged, for sure ...




And it appears that is what Solf is trying to do.


 


 


 


 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 11:48PM #189
teilhard
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What is missing from the dewey-eyed Emotional Appeals about "Charismatic Mega-Fauna" (especially cute lovable Brown-Eyed Baby Seals and Ultra-Intelligent Dolphins) is the HARD-Headed Understanding of what is REALLY at Stake ...


Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:19PM, IDBC wrote:


 


 


 


 


Howdy Teil


Apr 29, 2012 -- 10:09PM, teilhard wrote:


Our "Modern" Human (distinctly DYS-Functional) Relationship to the REST of Nature is rapidly becoming ever more obvious and TRAGIC ...


Trying SERIOUSLY to HEAL that broken Relaionship will require BOTH our "Hearts" AND our "Minds" to be changed and engaged, for sure ...




And it appears that is what Solf is trying to do.


 


 


 


 





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2 years ago  ::  May 08, 2012 - 8:44PM #190
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