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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 6:47PM #151
rabello
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:36PM, teilhard wrote:


People who "live off The Land" AREN'T necessarily "impoverished," no matter the Prejudices of Morally-Superior-Feeling City-Slickers to the contrary ...




Well, you are the one who said this:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 5:31PM, teilhard wrote:


No ... But LIKE Wild Cougars, not a few of them lived in The Outback North Woods and didn't HAVE enough $$$ to BUY all the Food they needed ... So they hunted, fished (occasionaly, "poached") and gathered to get FOOD ...


NOT everybody in North America is Rollin-in-Dollars, you see ...




If you didn't mean it, you didn't mean it.  But don't blame me for trying to follow your train of thought.


It is interesting that pro hunters who are not "judgemental" of anyone except "superior-minded" "city slickers" would get upset at the mention of food stamps, while at the same time defending an inhumane practice like bludgeoning baby seals in the head till their heads are crushed and the bleed to death.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 6:50PM #152
teilhard
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AGAIN ...


It's NOT a Question of "Poverty" so much as a Traditional Way-of-Life ... (which DOES indeed include distinctly LIITED "Cash Flow") ... 


Should they (be REQUIRED to) buy their Maple Syrup and Berries in the Stores too, or is gathering THOSE somehow "okay" with you ... ???  What OTHER Aspects of their Daily Lives are YOU somehow uniquely qualified to judge and direct FOR them ... ??? Just curious ... Is it OKAY with YOU that they cut FireWood on their own Land for heating their Houses and OutBuildings in a VERY severe Climate ... ???


Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:44PM, solfeggio wrote:


This is ridiculous.  People of Minnesota are too poor to buy a bag of potatoes or rice or apples or oatmeal or canned corn or whatever - but they DO have enough money to buy guns, ammo, fishing gear, etc. and to buy petrol for their cars to take them to wherever it is they want to hunt or fish, not to mention paying for food and lodging at wherever it is they're going to do their hunting or fishing?


Give me a break!





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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 6:51PM #153
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"Limited 'Cash Flow'" does NOT necessarily = "Impoverished" ...


Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:47PM, rabello wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:36PM, teilhard wrote:


People who "live off The Land" AREN'T necessarily "impoverished," no matter the Prejudices of Morally-Superior-Feeling City-Slickers to the contrary ...




Well, you are the one who said this:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 5:31PM, teilhard wrote:


No ... But LIKE Wild Cougars, not a few of them lived in The Outback North Woods and didn't HAVE enough $$$ to BUY all the Food they needed ... So they hunted, fished (occasionaly, "poached") and gathered to get FOOD ...


NOT everybody in North America is Rollin-in-Dollars, you see ...




If you didn't mean it, you didn't mean it.  But don't blame me for trying to follow your train of thought.


It is interesting that pro hunters who are not "judgemental" of anyone except "superior-minded" "city slickers" would get upset at the mention of food stamps, while at the same time defending an inhumane practice like bludgeoning baby seals in the head till their heads are crushed and the bleed to death.





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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 6:53PM #154
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:44PM, solfeggio wrote:


This is ridiculous.  People of Minnesota are too poor to buy a bag of potatoes or rice or apples or oatmeal or canned corn or whatever - but they DO have enough money to buy guns, ammo, fishing gear, etc. and to buy petrol for their cars to take them to wherever it is they want to hunt or fish, not to mention paying for food and lodging at wherever it is they're going to do their hunting or fishing?


Give me a break!




Yes, it is ridiculous.   But, maybe they do more poaching than anything else, so they don't have to pay for the hunting license, maybe they hike out to the wild places, and maybe they don't use guns and ammo (that's the name of a magazine, btw) but beat cougars to death with clubs they made themsleves, or trap them with monstrous tools they built themselves.  Who knows? 


It's just attempts to divert attention away from the topic (as usual).

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 6:55PM #155
teilhard
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LOL ... You don't WANT to "get" it ...


Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:53PM, rabello wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:44PM, solfeggio wrote:


This is ridiculous.  People of Minnesota are too poor to buy a bag of potatoes or rice or apples or oatmeal or canned corn or whatever - but they DO have enough money to buy guns, ammo, fishing gear, etc. and to buy petrol for their cars to take them to wherever it is they want to hunt or fish, not to mention paying for food and lodging at wherever it is they're going to do their hunting or fishing?


Give me a break!




Yes, it is ridiculous.   But, maybe they do more poaching than anything else, so they don't have to pay for the hunting license, maybe they hike out to the wild places, and maybe they don't use guns and ammo (that's the name of a magazine, btw) but beat cougars to death with clubs they made themsleves, or trap them with monstrous tools they built themselves.  Who knows? 


It's just attempts to divert attention away from the topic (as usual).





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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 7:01PM #156
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And, as for the people who supposedly make their living clubbing baby seals -


How could anybody possibly even attempt to justify this barbarity?


To say that it provides jobs is ludicrous.


If the people can't find a decent job in the area where they live, why aren't they moving to someplace else to look for work?  Why aren't they going back to school to learn some sort of trade?  You can hardly say that you make your living killing seals for a few weeks every year.  This is hardly a career or even a noble occupation.  It's the ultimate cruelty.


www.care2.com/causes/brutal-seal-hunting...


So, picture the seal-clubber in action.  The fellow puts on his waterproof boots, jacket, and hat.  He picks up his nail-studded club, and off he goes to bludgeon the helpless little mammals, until the snow runs red.


But, what, really, is the seal cull all about in the end?  It's just another example of the violence of humans against our fellow animals.  It goes on all the time in the slaughterhouses, doesn't it?  But in the case of the seals, we can see it happening, and so it enrages us.


What's the real reason the Canadians are so keen to kill the seals?  Simple.  Seals eat a lot of fish, and the fishermen don't like that.  So, kill the competition.


 


 

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 7:01PM #157
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:38PM, farragut wrote:


" Maybe even learn how to apply for food stamps if they are that impoverished!"


 


Right, let the government pay, even if, with a modicum of freedom, you can fend for yourself.


The entitlement society.


Ya gotta love it.




What does that have to do with the annual, seasonal slaughter of baby seals for their pelts, in Canada, which is a country less likely allow its people to go hungry than America.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 7:06PM #158
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:55PM, teilhard wrote:


LOL ... You don't WANT to "get" it ...




It's off topic

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 7:23PM #159
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teilhard -


You protest that some of us don't 'get' it.  Oh, we get it, all right, more's the pity. 


Unlike many people who focus on the irrelevant details and fail to understand the principles involved, we see the big picture all too clearly.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 7:33PM #160
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The Annual Seal Hunt in some Areas of Canada is about a Traditional Way of Life ...


Apr 28, 2012 -- 7:01PM, rabello wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:38PM, farragut wrote:


" Maybe even learn how to apply for food stamps if they are that impoverished!"


 


Right, let the government pay, even if, with a modicum of freedom, you can fend for yourself.


The entitlement society.


Ya gotta love it.




What does that have to do with the annual, seasonal slaughter of baby seals for their pelts, in Canada, which is a country less likely allow its people to go hungry than America.





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