Apr 23, 2012 -- 4:55PM, arielg wrote:

Easy for you to say, since you won't address the ethical or moral criticism of killing animals for entertainment, and choose, instead to try to make your point by putting others down for not "understanding" the thrill involved in killing a living being, meeting the challange of "doing it" with one shot, or with doing one's part to "conserve" the earth (for human interests).

But this thread is about the cruelty of slaughterhouses and one that got away.  What's your feelings on that, or are you like Erey and MM and say "so what"?

That is eactly the point: they refuse to look at the ethics or morality of it.  They just want to go on talking  about the mechanics of the endeavor and  pretending is just one more activity on   the same level as anything else.

Which is understandable: they don't have a leg to stand on if ethics, empathy and other considerations are included in the discussion. All those animals are going to die eventually anyway, so what is the problem with shooting  them.  There is simply no anwer on that level.

The "understanding" they demand   means going along with them.

 

Actually, ethical implications have been discussed numerous times. In fact, I've stated more than once, as a matter of general principle, vegetarianism is superior to meat consumption -- ethically, environmentally, and as a matter of public health.

See, here's what's happening, when others think or argue outside your idealogical box, you accuse them of lacking "understanding," or even giving things due contemplation.

Which is ironic. 

As has been noted, time and again, such sanctimonious irony seems common in the vegan/animal rights view.

Apr 23, 2012 -- 10:15AM, christine3 wrote:

Except for 2 upper and 2 lower teeth comparatively small pointed....

All that shows that we are generalists, not specialists. Every person out there that has actually studied human biology, and biology in general, will attest to that fact. They'll also tell you that we are DEFINITELY not evolved to be complete vegetarians. We are generalists, omnivores, not specifically only meat or only veggies.

VERY nicely thought and said ...

Apr 24, 2012 -- 12:28PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

Apr 23, 2012 -- 6:47PM, solfeggio wrote:

Well, mytmouse, if you truly believe that, as you've just stated, the vegetarian lifestyle is more beneficial than one including meat consumption, why on earth do you keep on banging the drum for hunting and killing and eating flesh?

Why aren't you trying to find out who you really are inside, and what are your real priorities?

Did you look at arielg's little film, in which the narrator tells us that in order to progress spiritually we must ask ourselves the straightforward questions about the truth of who we are?

This is a life-long quest.

wahiduddin.net/views/awakening.htm

Solf, I'm not "banging the drum" for killing and meat eating. All I've said is, I have good reasons for hunting, I'm good at it, and I do it well, within the boundaries of ethics and my own moral code -- which was not arrived at flippantly.

If others want to be vegetarians, or vegans, then more power too them. I admire commitent to an ideal. So what if it's not my ideal? I don't expect others to live as I do.

I live well. I expect that others will try to live well too, according to what they think and value. 

What I take issue with are the sanctimonious assumptions that those who are not animal rights/vegans are somehow pathological, mindless conformist, morally feeble, or mentally/spiritually asleep at the switch. That's arrogant, immature, irrational, judgemental and close-minded.

I don't like sermons, and I don't suffer preaching. When somebody claims to be awake and enlightened, and then goes off on a snide sermon rife with patronizing or negative stereotypes about those who don't agree, the irony is practically palatable.

 I contemplate just as much as you, arlielg or anybody else. I have a rich inward, mental and spriritual life. My religion and personal philosophy aren't just things I do for window dressing or social purposes, or to impress anybody else.  It's with me every second of every day. Lifelong quest, indeed!