May 5, 2012 -- 2:58PM, rabello wrote:

Killing the animal for the food gratification it brings, like branding the animal to claim ownership over it should be PAINLESS not less painful.   And there should be a moral reason for doing it.  Some people believe that Big Mac's and "Meat Lovers Pizza" simply aren't enough of a moral reason to justify the brutal and painful killling of the sheer number of cows that get killed per year, by for-profit business interests, or the way they get killed, either.   That's where "choice" comes in and very quickly ignored.

Please explain why there needs to be a "moral" reason for killing the animals tha nature has designed humans to consume?Killing them as painlessly as possible?Yes,as is being done,despite the propaganda put forth by vegans.But I need no more moral reason to eat a steak than the fact that nature designed me that way.

May 5, 2012 -- 9:58PM, christzen wrote:

May 5, 2012 -- 1:35PM, arielg wrote:

The point is to live according to human wisdom and the  understanding of right and wrong, not imitating animal actions that are strictly instinctive and devoid of malice or rationalizations.

 

Pay attention .If man were imitating animal actions,then we would not give a whit about attempting to humanely kill the animals first.Animals don't.And if you think that those in the slaughterhouses are doing their job because they bear some malice towards the cattle and get off on killing them,then you live in some sort of weird veggiemaniac fantasyland.

Maybe you need to pay attemtion. Killing other living beings for food is a predator's  action.  It is  instinctive and   no reasoning is involved or needed. There is no judgement involved.  Predators  don't have  to give a whit about killing "humanely".

  Why do humans need to kill   "humanely"?  Maybe because they instinctively feel  it is not right, so they try to  cover their feeligs of guilt by pretending it is not as bad as it seems. In other words, because they have a conscience.

Those who work in slaughterhouses, like  hunters,  need to have some malice in order to do   "their job".  They may not be aware of it, but they  certainly do not see  animals as beings whose life should be respected.

I would rather live in a "veggiemaniac fantasyland", which is  a superior use of intelligence,   than indulge in predator animal behavior while at the same time pretending to be above animals and need to rationalize  the desire to kill them.

May 5, 2012 -- 11:06PM, arielg wrote:

Maybe you need to pay attemtion. Killing other living beings for food is a predator's  action.  It is  instinctive and   no reasoning is involved or needed. There is no judgement involved.  Predators  don't have  to give a whit about killing "humanely".

Human are predators who kill for food.There is no judgement or malice in killing cattle,or deer,or geese.

May 5, 2012 -- 11:06PM, arielg wrote:

Why do humans need to kill   "humanely"?  Maybe because they instinctively feel  it is not right, so they try to  cover their feeligs of guilt by pretending it is not as bad as it seems. In other words, because they have a conscience.

Wishful  nonsense.Not wanting what you are killing to suffer needlessly when you can do it practically painless does not suggest feelings of guilt.For example,I kill mice,using either poison or mousetraps.But I refuse to use those traps that are sticky,because I have seen mice literally rip their skin off struggling to get free.Does this mean I suffer guilt at killing them and must assuage this guilt by finding "humane" ways to kill mice?Ihope no intelligent person would seriously think this.

May 5, 2012 -- 11:06PM, arielg wrote:

I would rather live in a "veggiemaniac fantasyland", which is  a superior use of intelligence,   than indulge in predator animal behavior while at the same time pretending to be above animals and need to rationalize  the desire to kill them.

Why do you insist on maintaining the delusion that people that eat meat need to rationalize killing the animal before eating them?You may have problems dealing with it,but don't project your issues onto everyone else.Most people are completely comfortable living and eating as nature intended.Get over it.

I myself had grilled dead chicken and bbq'd dead cow today.Highly enjoyed both.Knew that both were once living animals.Did not cause one bit of guilt or lessen the enjoyment in partaking of them one drop.

May 5, 2012 -- 10:02AM, christine3 wrote:

As I said, his opinion shaped opinions for generations.....

Yes, I know what you said, but I showed you how that was wrong. He has not shaped the opinions of those that have never heard of him and that would be the majority. I know of no one naive enough to eat meat just because some old dead guy said something they've never heard.

May 5, 2012 -- 11:50PM, christzen wrote:

Human are predators who kill for food.There is no judgement or malice in killing cattle,or deer,or geese.

Humans choose to call themselves predators and let others kill animals by whatever means for food they like.  In the modern, techno-world, humans have taken to letting others kill huge numbers of animals using the efficiency of an assembly line without regard to consequence, reducing animals to the equivalent of inanimate widgets, just to increase profits for the profit seekers, and to manufacture food that is not even healthy and is recommended to eat sparingly, if at all.

May 6, 2012 -- 12:05AM, christzen wrote:

I can also point out that most would not even exist if man did not need them for food.

How's that?