Apr 18, 2012 -- 11:27AM, mountain_man wrote:

Apr 18, 2012 -- 10:27AM, christine3 wrote:

Articles like this spread the idea that animals are stupid. ...

No, it shows that some people cannot think above an emotional level and are incapable of thinking things through.

And that's what you'd say about an animal, isn't it.  They have reactions but don't know what they are about.  Blah.

Apr 18, 2012 -- 11:44AM, christine3 wrote:

I heard the same thing when I was growing up.  Indoctrination.  Why didn't you get over it?

Because I'm not the one that has been indoctrinated.

Apr 18, 2012 -- 11:54AM, christine3 wrote:

This article written in 1993 disagrees with you.

No, it disagrees with you. The article is not about cattle or any other bovine. The intelligence level of a cow is not comparable to that of a dolphin - which the article was about. It is very disingenuous of you to even attempt to claim the intelligence of those two species are comparable.

Apr 18, 2012 -- 1:09PM, mountain_man wrote:

Apr 18, 2012 -- 11:54AM, christine3 wrote:

This article written in 1993 disagrees with you.

No, it disagrees with you. The article is not about cattle or any other bovine. The intelligence level of a cow is not comparable to that of a dolphin - which the article was about. It is very disingenuous of you to even attempt to claim the intelligence of those two species are comparable.

Good grief, Your position is that animals don't think. I am providing articles that show animals think, plain and simple.

And as for your other post to me about some  (meaning me) can't think above an emotional level, can't think things through, I responded that that is what you'd say to an animal. You didn't get what you were doing there.

My position is that you don't give animals the credit they deserve.  

Aside from all the above...Learning, what is it? It is conditioned response.  Much of what humans 'think' is merely indoctrination and conditioned response, not true thinking.

Apr 18, 2012 -- 1:11PM, mountain_man wrote:

Apr 18, 2012 -- 1:06PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

...That said, again, mass beef consumption is neither particularly healthy, or good for the environment. The future will probably be much more vegetarian.

I'd have no problem with that.

Me neither.  :) I eat turkey on Thanksgiving.  Although, the ones in the store aren't so good.  I used to live in Davis, CA.  Halfway between Davis and Woodland there was a meat market that sold fresh turkeys during the Holidays.  There's a world of difference.