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2 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 10:36PM #611
teilhard
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I have long chosen NOT to eat "Veal" ...

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2 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 10:44PM #612
christine3
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May 6, 2012 -- 10:36PM, teilhard wrote:


I have long chosen NOT to eat "Veal" ...





Good on you! I think it has been outlawed because of the inhumane way they were raised. Driving through the midwest once I looked down an embankment and saw hundreds of baby calves chained to studs in the ground.  I didn't know what it was for.  I was told that they also are hoisted up and live hanging by their bellies all their lives until slaughtered.  For the life of me, I can't understand why humans do such things.  


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2 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 10:49PM #613
teilhard
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Human Beings do LOTS of puzzling Things, yes ... ??? (NOT all of them healthy or good ...)


May 6, 2012 -- 10:44PM, christine3 wrote:


May 6, 2012 -- 10:36PM, teilhard wrote:


I have long chosen NOT to eat "Veal" ...





Good on you! I think it has been outlawed because of the inhumane way they were raised. Driving through the midwest once I looked down an embankment and saw hundreds of baby calves chained to studs in the ground.  I didn't know what it was for.  I was told that they also are hoisted up and live hanging by their bellies all their lives until slaughtered.  For the life of me, I can't understand why humans do such things.  






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2 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 11:10PM #614
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Well, people who hate vegetarians are both male and female.  Yet there is often the pungent aroma of gender politics behind the animosity, as if you personally, are demanding that the Marlboro Man -- or Rowdy Yates -- NOT feed Their Woman and Their Children, and that both are "designed" to be seen not heard.

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2 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 11:54PM #615
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That's an interesting point about gender politics, Rabello.  I hadn't thought of it that way, but it fits. 


As one author, Jacques Derrida, observed:


'In order to be recognized as a full subject one must be a meat-eater, a man, and an authoritative, speaking self.'


Another writer (Carol J. Adams) noted that meat eating was irreducibly linked to masculinity.  She goes on to say that 'what, or more precisely who we eat, is determined by the patriarchial politics of our culture, and the meanings attached to the meat eating include meanings clustered around virility.'


The message is that men are supposed to eat meat, and meat is associated with virility.


And at least one study backs that up.  According to a 1992 study by Vegetarian Times, of the 12 million Americans who call themselves vegetarians, 68% are female, while only 32% are male.  In other words, in the vegetarian world, women outnumber men two to one.


Women adopt vegetarianism at twice the rate of men, which may be due to the hierarchical way the gender roles are established.

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 12:18AM #616
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May 6, 2012 -- 7:05PM, christine3 wrote:

"My chosen belief".  People can't have their chosen beliefs.  Now that's great.


Where did I say you cannot hold your chosen beliefs?

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 12:39AM #617
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_eating_m...


This is an interesting article.  I'm not the only one who sees killing animals to eat their meat is the same as killing humans to eat their meat, though was was surprised to see it in print.  I guess I'm not alone.


Meat is meat.

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 1:06AM #618
christine3
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It just amazes me what the meat industry gets away with.  What's in our cows?  


www.opb.org/thinkoutloud/shows/whats-our...


And the poor cow doesn't have anything to do with it and doesn't want to be there anyway.  

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 1:32AM #619
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Hi, all,


Heads-up that a number of posts have been removed.  Please keep discussion focused on topic rather than negatively on each other.  If you think a post has violated a ROC, please report it rather than accusing the poster of personal attacks, etc., so that the hosts can deal with it.  It's your community, though, so I know you have the ability and the desire to handle this topic without going off the rails Kiss

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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 9:38AM #620
mountain_man
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May 7, 2012 -- 12:39AM, christine3 wrote:

This is an interesting article.


Sophomoric, highly biased, but not interesting.


I'm not the only one who sees killing animals to eat their meat is the same as killing humans to eat their meat, though was was surprised to see it in print.


Very few people would believe anything like that. There is a difference between humans, cattle, pigs, birds, etc. Only one of those is our own species. Eating human flesh is pretty much a universal taboo.

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