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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 12:16PM #41
teilhard
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As It is Written, "Matters of Taste are not subject to Debate ... "


Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:13PM, christine3 wrote:

Apr 16, 2012 -- 11:56AM, teilhard wrote:


What do you have against "Legumes" ... ???


Apr 16, 2012 -- 9:20AM, christine3 wrote:


Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:13AM, teilhard wrote:


Animal Meat is a VERY tasty Source of VERY good Quality Protein ... (We might think of it as, "Legumes with a Face" ...)




Ew.









Well you said Very tasty. I don't think so. Besides, there is nothing more unappetizing to me than seeing a piece of meat on a plate.




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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 12:19PM #42
christine3
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That's fine. Some people don't eat anything green. People are less apt to argue.  But when somebody says they don't eat meat, there is a big to do about it.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-KWmaOIDZI


I happen to love cows, to me they are among the most beautiful animals on the planet, but I dont eat them.  meat is meat


 

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 12:24PM #43
teilhard
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Having spent some Time in Farm Country, I agree re: "Cows" ... Their Big Brown Eyes are GORGEOUS and I love their beautful deep Voices ... (But I DO also enjoy eating them ... )


Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:19PM, christine3 wrote:


That's fine. Some people don't eat anything green. People are less apt to argue.  But when somebody says they don't eat meat, there is a big to do about it.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-KWmaOIDZI


I happen to love cows, to me they are among the most beautiful animals on the planet, but I dont eat them.  meat is meat


 





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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 12:48PM #44
Stardove
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What do cows eat?



Hay, even if they have to take care of getting it their selves.  Wink

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:00PM #45
Cesmom
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:19PM, christine3 wrote:


That's fine. Some people don't eat anything green. People are less apt to argue.  But when somebody says they don't eat meat, there is a big to do about it.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-KWmaOIDZI


I happen to love cows, to me they are among the most beautiful animals on the planet, but I dont eat them.  meat is meat


 




I completely respect vegiterians and vegans.  I wouldn't argue with that choice.  More power to all of you.  You probably have a much healthier diet anyway.  


Personally, I just love a good steak waaaayyyy too much :).


Our need to learn should always outweigh our need to be right

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

More people would learn from their mistakes if they weren't so busy denying them.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:25PM #46
rabello
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:16PM, teilhard wrote:


As It is Written, "Matters of Taste are not subject to Debate ... "





Matters of cruelty and/or suffering are subject to debate, though.


For all the talk of "instinct" and the "food chain" and such, what it comes down to is that humans have a choice in the matter and can choose not to be cruel, or use cruel practices that cause suffering...or they can choose not to.


The only reason humans are at the "top" of the food chain is their brains, not their adapted brawn, and just as those brains can lead them to choose cruelty, those same brains can lead them to choose the opposite.


There is no reason to berate vegetarians or vegans the way it is self-righteously done on this board.    I think Cesmon's answer is the best one on this thread!

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:29PM #47
mytmouse57
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Reminds me of a song..



"Cows with guns"



Fat and docile, big and dumb


They look so stupid, they aren't much fun
Cows aren't fun

They eat to grow, grow to die
Die to be et at the hamburger fry
Cows well done

Nobody thunk it, nobody knew
No one imagined the great cow guru
Cows are one

He hid in the forest, read books with great zeal
He loved Che Guevera, a revolutionary veal
Cow Tse Tongue

He spoke about justice, but nobody stirred
He felt like an outcast, alone in the herd
Cow doldrums

He mooed we must fight, escape or we'll die
Cows gathered around, cause the steaks were so high
Bad cow pun

But then he was captured, stuffed into a crate
Loaded onto a truck, where he rode to his fate
Cows are bummed

He was a scrawny calf, who looked rather woozy
No one suspected he was packing an Uzi
Cows with guns

They came with a needle to stick in his thigh
He kicked for the groin, he pissed in their eye
Cow well hung

Knocked over a tractor and ran for the door
Six gallons of gas flowed out on the floor
Run cows run!

He picked up a bullhorn and jumped up on the hay
We are free roving bovines, we run free today

We will fight for bovine  freedom
And hold our large heads high
We will run free with the Buffalo, or die
Cows with  guns

They crashed the gate in a great stampede
Tipped over a milk truck, torched all the feed
Cows have fun

Sixty police cars were piled in a heap
Covered in cow pies, covered up deep
Much cow dung

Black smoke rising, darkening the day
Twelve burning McDonalds, have it your way

We will fight for bovine freedom
And hold our large heads high
We will run free with the Buffalo, or die
Cows with guns

The President said "enough is enough

These uppity cattle, its time to get tough"
Cow dung flung

The newspapers gloated, folks sighed with relief
Tomorrow at noon, they would all be ground beef
Cows on buns

The cows were surrounded, they waited and prayed
They mooed their last moos,
they chewed their last hay
Cows out gunned

The order was given to turn cows to whoppers
Enforced by the might of ten thousand coppers
But on the horizon surrounding the shoppers

Came the deafening roar of chickens in choppers

We will fight for bovine freedom
And hold our large heads high
We will run free with the Buffalo, or die
Cows with guns

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:33PM #48
farragut
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I think that what mom Ces reflects the position of most of us. But when we are spitefully used by the evangelists, we tend to talk back in kind.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:34PM #49
mytmouse57
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 1:25PM, rabello wrote:


Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:16PM, teilhard wrote:


As It is Written, "Matters of Taste are not subject to Debate ... "





Matters of cruelty and/or suffering are subject to debate, though.


For all the talk of "instinct" and the "food chain" and such, what it comes down to is that humans have a choice in the matter and can choose not to be cruel, or use cruel practices that cause suffering...or they can choose not to.


The only reason humans are at the "top" of the food chain is their brains, not their adapted brawn, and just as those brains can lead them to choose cruelty, those same brains can lead them to choose the opposite.


There is no reason to berate vegetarians or vegans the way it is self-righteously done on this board.    I think Cesmon's answer is the best one on this thread!




Actually, I would have to say the animal rights/vegan folks are the ones usually doing the berating and preaching -- often laced with misanthrophy and vicious characterizations of those who disagree.


The constant portrayal of hunters as pathological ego-maniacs, and ranchers as egotistical asses who care only about money are just a couple examples of that.


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3 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:56PM #50
rabello
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 1:33PM, farragut wrote:


I think that what mom Ces reflects the position of most of us. But when we are spitefully used by the evangelists, we tend to talk back in kind.





Apr 16, 2012 -- 1:34PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Actually, I would have to say the animal rights/vegan folks are the ones usually doing the berating and preaching -- often laced with misanthrophy and vicious characterizations of those who disagree.




Is that violins I'm hearing???


If there was any truth with such one sided statements, I'd say get a lawyer.  As it is, I'll say, cry me a river.


The defensiveness and aggression of some meat eaters, and of hunters and gun lovers on this board are the most striking characteristics of these threads.  There's nothing offensive about this thread.   Such aggressive defensiveness can be a sign of internal feelings of guilt. 




 

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