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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 1:13PM #1
Marcion
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From the early days of space exploration it was decreed that space was open to all nations.

If North Korea plans to launch a weather satellite as they are claiming, why the pucker factor by other nations. Who has the authority to block the peaceful use of space?

www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/11/us-ko...

Please don't give me the old bullshit about potential military use; the US launcehed most of its early satellites using military rockets. 
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 1:44PM #2
mountain_man
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 1:13PM, Marcion wrote:

...If North Korea plans to launch a weather satellite as they are claiming, why the pucker factor by other nations. Who has the authority to block the peaceful use of space?...


The world's biggest bully, the USA, claims the authority. Wouldn't it be nice if we were to contact North Korea and tell them we will give them all the weather information they want - for free. That way NK could save the money and feed their people with it. Yeah, I know that won't work. The two countries have too big of an ego to do anything nice like that.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 4:42PM #3
TemplarS
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The pucker factor has nothing to do with what is being launched, it has to do with what might be launched, given the capability.


But, as far as North Korea goes, there is also the brag factor.  The ability to launch satellites might make it seem as if they are indeed a major world power, and certainly plays well internally (as with nukes in Iran).  It might even make sense if the morons could manage to feed themselves. 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 5:04PM #4
mytmouse57
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When can squabble over space all we want.


Until aliens show up and tell us it's all theirs. 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 5:50PM #5
arielg
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Space exploration is 100% a military undertaking. The scientific aspect is fine and dandy, but that is not the primary purpose, for any nation. 


Those who do not want NK to have space know how, are the same people who do not want Iran to develop their nuclear capacity.  Everybody wants their enemies as weak as possible. It is all politics, of course.


I wonder what is it that we are been fed about NKorea.  They are constantly being painted as a starving, backward  nation. It is hard to imagine  a starving nation, full of frustrated pèople, to be  be able to make the  scientific progress they are making. And to have those amazing choreographed celebrations. I guess it is possible  in a very controlled society, but I wonder whether we are being indoctrinated ourselves to think of them that way.


 


 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:37PM #6
solfeggio
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I, too, wonder what life is really like in North Korea, and if all the bad things we're told about that country are true.  It's hard to find out anything, but I did see this photo essay in the Sacramento Bee that might shed a little light on things.


blogs.sacbee.com/photos/2012/04/photo-ex...

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:49PM #7
mytmouse57
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 6:37PM, solfeggio wrote:


I, too, wonder what life is really like in North Korea, and if all the bad things we're told about that country are true.  It's hard to find out anything, but I did see this photo essay in the Sacramento Bee that might shed a little light on things.


blogs.sacbee.com/photos/2012/04/photo-ex...




Usually, we tend to be exposed to the more dramatic side of "other" places. 


For instance, watching the news, one might think all people do in the Middle East is dodge bullets and bombs, and live in utter misery. But talking to some folks who have been there, most people living there have rather quiet, mundane lives. They get up, go to work, come home, eat dinner, hang out with the family...


Likewise, many outsiders must think we here in America don't do anything but party, have sex and get into fights and car chases. 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 7:00PM #8
solfeggio
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Nah, mouse.  I've always found Americans - whether here or back in the States - to be warm, hard-working, welcoming people with a very well-developed sense of humour. 


That quality - humour - is so important in dealing with the stresses and strains of everyday life.  And humour was what helped the Allies defeat the Axis powers in WWII.  How often have we seen those humourous slogans and crude drawings of shapely women on the bodies of the B-24s or other bombers or fighters?


And, as I've said elsewhere, my experience has been that everybody is basically the same inside, whether Americans or Brits or Hispanics, or people from any other place in the world.


Just watch some of the numerous programmes on various cable channels telling us about the lifestyles of people all over the world.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 7:32PM #9
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 7:00PM, solfeggio wrote:


Nah, mouse.  I've always found Americans - whether here or back in the States - to be warm, hard-working, welcoming people with a very well-developed sense of humour. 


That quality - humour - is so important in dealing with the stresses and strains of everyday life.  And humour was what helped the Allies defeat the Axis powers in WWII.  How often have we seen those humourous slogans and crude drawings of shapely women on the bodies of the B-24s or other bombers or fighters?


And, as I've said elsewhere, my experience has been that everybody is basically the same inside, whether Americans or Brits or Hispanics, or people from any other place in the world.


Just watch some of the numerous programmes on various cable channels telling us about the lifestyles of people all over the world.




Solf--neat post


We Americans do have fine senses of humor overall--in my English/Irish clan it is a true sense of irony--often just funny and rarely mean. One of my best friends had parents born in Sicily and we love the ironic and outrageous--in faith jabber and in politics. I loved my years in Thailand : the Thais love to laugh and have wicked senses of humor. My husband's best Vietnamese friend did puns in English, his third language--has a master's degree from a Minnesota university. His wife took the girls and me shopping in the old Saigon one afternoon; she teaches French and they now live in Montreal.


At my local market two of my faves have Hispanic backgrounds--new to me : we hug, high-five and chat.


Richar Engel of NBC and msnbc has posted some interesting videos from North Korea this week : perhaps available on www.msnbc.com.


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 9:22PM #10
Marcion
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 5:50PM, arielg wrote:


Space exploration is 100% a military undertaking. The scientific aspect is fine and dandy, but that is not the primary purpose, for any nation. 


Those who do not want NK to have space know how, are the same people who do not want Iran to develop their nuclear capacity.  Everybody wants their enemies as weak as possible. It is all politics, of course.


I wonder what is it that we are been fed about NKorea.  They are constantly being painted as a starving, backward  nation. It is hard to imagine  a starving nation, full of frustrated pèople, to be  be able to make the  scientific progress they are making. And to have those amazing choreographed celebrations. I guess it is possible  in a very controlled society, but I wonder whether we are being indoctrinated ourselves to think of them that way.


 


 




If it is 100% military where does NASA fit into your equation. I spent over twenty years in space research and don't agree with your conclusion; was Apollo 100% military?

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