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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 4:55PM #21
mountain_man
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:40PM, Marcion wrote:

She deserved to be fired.


Fired for encouraging students to get involved? That's not a dismissible offense. That's what teachers in those grades are supposed to do.


If she waited until there was a ruling by the special prosecutor then it would be proper to collect funds for the family.


That's a bizarre argument. What the prosecutor does or does not do is irrelevant to what the students were trying to do.


She jumped the gun and took sides on an unresolved issue thereby biasing the opinions of her students.


She took no "sides." The principle did and he did not like the "side" the students took; empathy for the family of the victim.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 5:06PM #22
mainecaptain
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Cesmom wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:40PM, Marcion wrote:


She deserved to be fired.If she waited until there was a ruling by the special prosecutor then it would be proper to collect funds for the family. She jumped the gun and took sides on an unresolved issue thereby biasing the opinions of her students.





She doesn't need to bias anyone's opinion.  Anyone who's heart does not go out to this family is a heartless bastard.  If she wants to encourage her students to not be heartless bastards, more power to her.  There were no grounds for her to be disciplined in the first place, much less fired.




Bolding mine. I do agree with the entirety of your post Cesmom

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 5:40PM #23
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Cesmom wrote:

Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:40PM, Marcion wrote:


She deserved to be fired.If she waited until there was a ruling by the special prosecutor then it would be proper to collect funds for the family. She jumped the gun and took sides on an unresolved issue thereby biasing the opinions of her students.




You are kidding, right?  


Here's something that's resolved...a kid is dead....his family is grieving...it's commendable for these students to want to do something to support that family.


She wasn't staging an 'anti-George Zimmerman' rally for God's sake.  


Are you suggesting that there is "a side" that would prohibit someone from fundraising for a victim's family.  Are you suggesting that, short of a ruling by a special prosecutor, Trayvon Martin and his family should not be considered victims???


Ridiculous.


She doesn't need to bias anyone's opinion.  Anyone who's heart does not go out to this family is a heartless bastard.  If she wants to encourage her students to not be heartless bastards, more power to her.  There were no grounds for her to be disciplined in the first place, much less fired.


Don't let emotion cloud reason. Any lawyer who gets emotionally involved in a clients case usually ends up losing.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 5:41PM #24
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 5:06PM, mainecaptain wrote:

Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Cesmom wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:40PM, Marcion wrote:


She deserved to be fired.If she waited until there was a ruling by the special prosecutor then it would be proper to collect funds for the family. She jumped the gun and took sides on an unresolved issue thereby biasing the opinions of her students.





She doesn't need to bias anyone's opinion.  Anyone who's heart does not go out to this family is a heartless bastard.  If she wants to encourage her students to not be heartless bastards, more power to her.  There were no grounds for her to be disciplined in the first place, much less fired.




Bolding mine. I do agree with the entirety of your post Cesmom


Who gives a rats ass what you think.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:09PM #25
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You are kidding, right? 


Here's something that's resolved...a kid is dead....his family is grieving...it's commendable for these students to want to do something to support that family.


She wasn't staging an 'anti-George Zimmerman' rally for God's sake. 


That is what it would end up being. There is still an investigation going on.  What on earth are 8th grade shool kids going to learn from this? There are hundreds of murders eveyday in America.  Why would 8th grade kids be interested in this particular case? 


Are you suggesting that there is "a side" that would prohibit someone from fundraising for a victim's family.  Are you suggesting that, short of a ruling by a special prosecutor, Trayvon Martin and his family should not be considered victims???


It hasn't been decided who is the victm.  That is why there is no verdict yet. And that is the problem: some pèople have already decided and that is what they are going to indoctrinate the kids with.


Ridiculous.


She doesn't need to bias anyone's opinion.  Anyone who's heart does not go out to this family is a heartless bastard.  If she wants to encourage her students to not be heartless bastards, more power to her.  There were no grounds for her to be disciplined in the first place, much less fired.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:24PM #26
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 5:40PM, Marcion wrote:

Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Cesmom wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:40PM, Marcion wrote:


She deserved to be fired.If she waited until there was a ruling by the special prosecutor then it would be proper to collect funds for the family. She jumped the gun and took sides on an unresolved issue thereby biasing the opinions of her students.




You are kidding, right?  


Here's something that's resolved...a kid is dead....his family is grieving...it's commendable for these students to want to do something to support that family.


She wasn't staging an 'anti-George Zimmerman' rally for God's sake.  


Are you suggesting that there is "a side" that would prohibit someone from fundraising for a victim's family.  Are you suggesting that, short of a ruling by a special prosecutor, Trayvon Martin and his family should not be considered victims???


Ridiculous.


She doesn't need to bias anyone's opinion.  Anyone who's heart does not go out to this family is a heartless bastard.  If she wants to encourage her students to not be heartless bastards, more power to her.  There were no grounds for her to be disciplined in the first place, much less fired.




Don't let emotion cloud reason. Any lawyer who gets emotionally involved in a clients case usually ends up losing.




Journalists aren't supposed to get emotionally involved either.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:28PM #27
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 5:40PM, Marcion wrote:

Don't let emotion cloud reason....


Yet in another thread that's exactly what you did.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:34PM #28
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 6:09PM, arielg wrote:


You are kidding, right? 


Here's something that's resolved...a kid is dead....his family is grieving...it's commendable for these students to want to do something to support that family.


She wasn't staging an 'anti-George Zimmerman' rally for God's sake. 


That is what it would end up being. There is still an investigation going on.  What on earth are 8th grade shool kids going to learn from this? There are hundreds of murders eveyday in America.  Why would 8th grade kids be interested in this particular case? 


Are you suggesting that there is "a side" that would prohibit someone from fundraising for a victim's family.  Are you suggesting that, short of a ruling by a special prosecutor, Trayvon Martin and his family should not be considered victims???


It hasn't been decided who is the victm.  That is why there is no verdict yet. And that is the problem: some pèople have already decided and that is what they are going to indoctrinate the kids with.


Ridiculous.


She doesn't need to bias anyone's opinion.  Anyone who's heart does not go out to this family is a heartless bastard.  If she wants to encourage her students to not be heartless bastards, more power to her.  There were no grounds for her to be disciplined in the first place, much less fired.




I'm stunned that anyone would think this way.  Questioning whether Trayvon Martin was a victim???  Even if 100% of what George Zimmerman claims is true, Trayvon Marin was still a victim.  That's an indisputable fact.  This 17 year old boy was a victim.  Some will say that he was a victim of a misunderstanding.  Some will say that he was a victim of racism.  Some will say he was a victim of a crime, while others will claim he was a victim of an unfortunate justifiable act.  No matter how you look at it, there is absolutely no way someone in their right mind could dispute the fact that Trayvon Martin was a victim.

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More people would learn from their mistakes if they weren't so busy denying them.
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:39PM #29
Cesmom
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 5:40PM, Marcion wrote:

Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Cesmom wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:40PM, Marcion wrote:


She deserved to be fired.If she waited until there was a ruling by the special prosecutor then it would be proper to collect funds for the family. She jumped the gun and took sides on an unresolved issue thereby biasing the opinions of her students.




You are kidding, right?  


Here's something that's resolved...a kid is dead....his family is grieving...it's commendable for these students to want to do something to support that family.


She wasn't staging an 'anti-George Zimmerman' rally for God's sake.  


Are you suggesting that there is "a side" that would prohibit someone from fundraising for a victim's family.  Are you suggesting that, short of a ruling by a special prosecutor, Trayvon Martin and his family should not be considered victims???


Ridiculous.


She doesn't need to bias anyone's opinion.  Anyone who's heart does not go out to this family is a heartless bastard.  If she wants to encourage her students to not be heartless bastards, more power to her.  There were no grounds for her to be disciplined in the first place, much less fired.




Don't let emotion cloud reason. Any lawyer who gets emotionally involved in a clients case usually ends up losing.




Okay, whatever, I'd make a piss poor lawyer then.  Any parent who can read about this case and not feel emotionally involved would surprise the hell out of me.  You don't even have to think George Zimmerman is guilty in order to feel emotionally involved.  You just have to feel for senseless loss that the Martin family is experiencing.  These kids felt for it, and wanted to do something to help.  Their teacher got fired for wanting to help them do it.

Our need to learn should always outweigh our need to be right

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

More people would learn from their mistakes if they weren't so busy denying them.
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:42PM #30
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 6:39PM, Cesmom wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 5:40PM, Marcion wrote:

Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Cesmom wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 4:40PM, Marcion wrote:


She deserved to be fired.If she waited until there was a ruling by the special prosecutor then it would be proper to collect funds for the family. She jumped the gun and took sides on an unresolved issue thereby biasing the opinions of her students.




You are kidding, right?  


Here's something that's resolved...a kid is dead....his family is grieving...it's commendable for these students to want to do something to support that family.


She wasn't staging an 'anti-George Zimmerman' rally for God's sake.  


Are you suggesting that there is "a side" that would prohibit someone from fundraising for a victim's family.  Are you suggesting that, short of a ruling by a special prosecutor, Trayvon Martin and his family should not be considered victims???


Ridiculous.


She doesn't need to bias anyone's opinion.  Anyone who's heart does not go out to this family is a heartless bastard.  If she wants to encourage her students to not be heartless bastards, more power to her.  There were no grounds for her to be disciplined in the first place, much less fired.




Don't let emotion cloud reason. Any lawyer who gets emotionally involved in a clients case usually ends up losing.




Okay, whatever, I'd make a piss poor lawyer then.  Any parent who can read about this case and not feel emotionally involved would surprise the hell out of me.  You don't even have to think George Zimmerman is guilty in order to feel emotionally involved.  You just have to feel for senseless loss that the Martin family is experiencing.  These kids felt for it, and wanted to do something to help.  Their teacher got fired for wanting to help them do it.




I'm the parent of five -- including three teens.


I've never tried to use that as an exuse for throwing rationality out the window. 

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