Apr 4, 2012 -- 11:59PM, rabello wrote:

Apr 4, 2012 -- 7:03PM, solfeggio wrote:

The killing of wolves goes on and on in the American West.

www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/31/us-us...
And they're not just being killed, but they're being tortured as well.

www.commondreams.org/newswire/2012/04/04

What's the matter with people?  What is this big vendetta hunters and cattlemen have with wolves?

This is an endangered species.  Are people so stupid that they don't realise that all species are essential to the ecosystems of any area, and that if one goes, it impacts on everything else?

Has it not sunk into the thick brains of these people that the life of even one wolf is worth infinitely more than all the cattle herds in the world?
         

Horses, too.   Prairie dogs, too.

When the entire American west is finally "paved" over everyone can go to the

Hyperbole eschews many truly reasonable diiscussion, and adds little. It sems to me different areas with needs that may apply there need not be held hostage in other places. Our culture diversities need respect in their own smaller areas.

I am willing to tollerate ranchers to set the premiters.In thisI am slightly libertariam.

Wildlife abounds in the US and we will not pave all of their habitat over.......................

J.

Apr 4, 2012 -- 7:03PM, solfeggio wrote:

The killing of wolves goes on and on in the American West.....
What's the matter with people?  What is this big vendetta hunters and cattlemen have with wolves?   

Ummmm . . . wolves attack the ranchers' cattle. So, the ranchers are protecting their stuff.

It's quite simple.

I don't know about the hunters, though.

The wolves are attacking ranchers' cattle?  This could be a discussion in the earlier part of the century, except that we are using electronic communication.  Have ranchers not learned an essential wisdom?  That as stewards of their cattle, they should not be leaving them vulnerable like that and expect to "get away with it".  Have they not considered having secured fields or bringing the cattle in the yard, hiring someone to watch over the cattle, or that as stewards (not owners) that they are "expected" to lose some of the cattle as that is food for the wolves and other animals (since we humans have often deprived the carnivores of their principal meat sources)?

I wonder if an underlying problem for ranchers is greed?  Being too greedy for money that they need the number of cattle that they have, that they don't properly protect them, that they continue to blame the ancestor of the dog rather than accept personal responsibility for their losses?  

Apr 4, 2012 -- 11:21PM, jane2 wrote:

Apr 4, 2012 -- 11:02PM, Erey wrote:

I believe wolves are no longer considered endangered. 

It is sad to see nature and civilization come up against each other like this.  Some types of nature coexist very well with civilization, other types not so much. 

Out near me we have coyotes but the wolves are pretty few and far between.  Although the wolves do come up into the city on rare occasion.  Coyotes coexist with human populations much better than wolves or mountain lions or grizzly bears.

Erey

Coyotes are a bit of a problem in my son's city but no one is over-concerned. My 17-y-o granddaughter loves animals but even she is not concerned. Nanas get to brag and she is brilliant-truly. We had the most fascinating conversations about life philosophy, etc. We stayed up very late three nights, one with her MIT brother. I loved the conversations we had about so much. I have been blessed with brilliant children and grandchildren. I was also blessed to grow up within a brilliant family. Even as preschoolers we were invited into the conversation at my grandparents' dining table. (And as Irish/English Americans we often had many conversations going at once. This still obtains today.)

J.

Coyotes are getting to be a problem in ther Atlanta area, getting more bold, and killing outside pets, as well as coming out as a good source of rabies, as well as multiplying like rabbits.

Wolves and ranchers have always been at odds, though. The more open the range, the more the certainty that wolves, bears, cougars, and the like will take their pick.

Apr 5, 2012 -- 12:51PM, Esdraelon wrote:

Apr 4, 2012 -- 11:21PM, jane2 wrote:

Apr 4, 2012 -- 11:02PM, Erey wrote:

I believe wolves are no longer considered endangered. 

It is sad to see nature and civilization come up against each other like this.  Some types of nature coexist very well with civilization, other types not so much. 

Out near me we have coyotes but the wolves are pretty few and far between.  Although the wolves do come up into the city on rare occasion.  Coyotes coexist with human populations much better than wolves or mountain lions or grizzly bears.

Erey

Coyotes are a bit of a problem in my son's city but no one is over-concerned. My 17-y-o granddaughter loves animals but even she is not concerned. Nanas get to brag and she is brilliant-truly. We had the most fascinating conversations about life philosophy, etc. We stayed up very late three nights, one with her MIT brother. I loved the conversations we had about so much. I have been blessed with brilliant children and grandchildren. I was also blessed to grow up within a brilliant family. Even as preschoolers we were invited into the conversation at my grandparents' dining table. (And as Irish/English Americans we often had many conversations going at once. This still obtains today.)

J.

Coyotes are getting to be a problem in ther Atlanta area, getting more bold, and killing outside pets, as well as coming out as a good source of rabies, as well as multiplying like rabbits.

Wolves and ranchers have always been at odds, though. The more open the range, the more the certainty that wolves, bears, cougars, and the like will take their pick.

The rabies situation is worrisome. My son lives in Charlotte and much there is akin to happenings in Atlanta. We did discuss the rabies possibilities.

I certainly don't have a solution.

Today on www.msnbc.com there is a discussion about the wolves in Wyoming and the small profit margin for ranchers.