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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 5:56PM #11
teilhard
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So ... Zimmerman ADMITS that he had "chased" the Kid, who decided to "stand his Ground" and acted in his own Self-Defense ....


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:16PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Apparently, the shooter in the now infamous Florida case says he was attacked, and was being beaten at the time of the shooting:

www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-us...

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"...But in own his version of events, as outlined in the Sentinel report, Zimmerman had given up the chase and was walking back to his sport utility vehicle when Martin approached him from behind.


The two exchanged words before Martin punched the burly Zimmerman in the nose, sending him reeling to the ground. The teenager then began pummeling him and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, the newspaper said.


At least one witness told police he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman who was calling for help, the newspaper said. It noted, however, that other witnesses had disputed who the cries were coming from.


ABC News quoted a police source as saying that Zimmerman, in a written statement, claimed that Martin also tried to take his gun before the shot was fired."


 
 





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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:01PM #12
mytmouse57
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Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:56PM, teilhard wrote:


So ... Zimmerman ADMITS that he had "chased" the Kid, who decided to "stand his Ground" and acted in his own Self-Defense ....


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:16PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Apparently, the shooter in the now infamous Florida case says he was attacked, and was being beaten at the time of the shooting:

www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-us...

Exerpt:


"...But in own his version of events, as outlined in the Sentinel report, Zimmerman had given up the chase and was walking back to his sport utility vehicle when Martin approached him from behind.


The two exchanged words before Martin punched the burly Zimmerman in the nose, sending him reeling to the ground. The teenager then began pummeling him and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, the newspaper said.


At least one witness told police he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman who was calling for help, the newspaper said. It noted, however, that other witnesses had disputed who the cries were coming from.


ABC News quoted a police source as saying that Zimmerman, in a written statement, claimed that Martin also tried to take his gun before the shot was fired."


 
 








Perhaps.


But you can permanently injure, disable or kill somebody by slamming their head into the pavement just as surely as you can by shooting them.


So, in that case, the ball was back in Zimmerman's court. 

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:04PM #13
teilhard
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No ... Apparently ZIMMERMAN admits to being The INITIAL Aggressor, in which Case the KID was acting in Self-Defense, albeit WITHOUT use of a FireArm ...


Had Zimmerman just  STAYED  AWAY  from the Kid, as instructed by the 911 Official, NO Problem would have occured ...


Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:01PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:56PM, teilhard wrote:


So ... Zimmerman ADMITS that he had "chased" the Kid, who decided to "stand his Ground" and acted in his own Self-Defense ....


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:16PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Apparently, the shooter in the now infamous Florida case says he was attacked, and was being beaten at the time of the shooting:

www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-us...

Exerpt:


"...But in own his version of events, as outlined in the Sentinel report, Zimmerman had given up the chase and was walking back to his sport utility vehicle when Martin approached him from behind.


The two exchanged words before Martin punched the burly Zimmerman in the nose, sending him reeling to the ground. The teenager then began pummeling him and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, the newspaper said.


At least one witness told police he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman who was calling for help, the newspaper said. It noted, however, that other witnesses had disputed who the cries were coming from.


ABC News quoted a police source as saying that Zimmerman, in a written statement, claimed that Martin also tried to take his gun before the shot was fired."


 
 








Perhaps.


But you can permanently injure, disable or kill somebody by slamming their head into the pavement just as surely as you can by shooting them.


So, in that case, the ball was back in Zimmerman's court. 





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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:10PM #14
Esdraelon
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Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:04PM, teilhard wrote:


No ... Apparently ZIMMERMAN admits to being The INITIAL Aggressor, in which Case the KID was acting in Self-Defense, albeit WITHOUT use of a FireArm ...


Had Zimmerman just  STAYED  AWAY  from the Kid, as instructed by the 911 Official, NO Problem would have occured ...


Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:01PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:56PM, teilhard wrote:


So ... Zimmerman ADMITS that he had "chased" the Kid, who decided to "stand his Ground" and acted in his own Self-Defense ....


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:16PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Apparently, the shooter in the now infamous Florida case says he was attacked, and was being beaten at the time of the shooting:

www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-us...

Exerpt:


"...But in own his version of events, as outlined in the Sentinel report, Zimmerman had given up the chase and was walking back to his sport utility vehicle when Martin approached him from behind.


The two exchanged words before Martin punched the burly Zimmerman in the nose, sending him reeling to the ground. The teenager then began pummeling him and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, the newspaper said.


At least one witness told police he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman who was calling for help, the newspaper said. It noted, however, that other witnesses had disputed who the cries were coming from.


ABC News quoted a police source as saying that Zimmerman, in a written statement, claimed that Martin also tried to take his gun before the shot was fired."


 
 








Perhaps.


But you can permanently injure, disable or kill somebody by slamming their head into the pavement just as surely as you can by shooting them.


So, in that case, the ball was back in Zimmerman's court. 








One moment.....according to reports, Zimmerman says he attempted to follow the kid but lost him and was returning to his vehicle when he was accosted by Martin from behind.....


Is this the case, who knows? People have made up their minds already though and it is going to be practically impossible to have a fair trial.  Fair trials are a deserved item, are they not?

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:10PM #15
IreneAdler
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So does Mr. Z exhibit the bruises/injury consistent with such a scenario?


 


Irene.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:15PM #16
mytmouse57
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Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:10PM, IreneAdler wrote:


So does Mr. Z exhibit the bruises/injury consistent with such a scenario?


 


Irene.




I've read there are reports of him being checked in to the hospital with a broken nose, and other cuts and lascerations.


Probably awaiting confirmation on this... as well as other details. 


Again, having worked as a reporter myself, I know getting information out of hospitals can be a real bearcat.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:17PM #17
teilhard
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One would EXPECT so, yes ...


But the KID is DEAD and so will NOT be able to enter hs reasonable Plea of, "Self-Defense" ...


Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:10PM, Esdraelon wrote:


Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:04PM, teilhard wrote:


No ... Apparently ZIMMERMAN admits to being The INITIAL Aggressor, in which Case the KID was acting in Self-Defense, albeit WITHOUT use of a FireArm ...


Had Zimmerman just  STAYED  AWAY  from the Kid, as instructed by the 911 Official, NO Problem would have occured ...


Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:01PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:56PM, teilhard wrote:


So ... Zimmerman ADMITS that he had "chased" the Kid, who decided to "stand his Ground" and acted in his own Self-Defense ....


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:16PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Apparently, the shooter in the now infamous Florida case says he was attacked, and was being beaten at the time of the shooting:

www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-us...

Exerpt:


"...But in own his version of events, as outlined in the Sentinel report, Zimmerman had given up the chase and was walking back to his sport utility vehicle when Martin approached him from behind.


The two exchanged words before Martin punched the burly Zimmerman in the nose, sending him reeling to the ground. The teenager then began pummeling him and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, the newspaper said.


At least one witness told police he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman who was calling for help, the newspaper said. It noted, however, that other witnesses had disputed who the cries were coming from.


ABC News quoted a police source as saying that Zimmerman, in a written statement, claimed that Martin also tried to take his gun before the shot was fired."


 
 








Perhaps.


But you can permanently injure, disable or kill somebody by slamming their head into the pavement just as surely as you can by shooting them.


So, in that case, the ball was back in Zimmerman's court. 








One moment.....according to reports, Zimmerman says he attempted to follow the kid but lost him and was returning to his vehicle when he was accosted by Martin from behind.....


Is this the case, who knows? People have made up their minds already though and it is going to be practically impossible to have a fair trial.  Fair trials are a deserved item, are they not?





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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:17PM #18
mytmouse57
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Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:04PM, teilhard wrote:


No ... Apparently ZIMMERMAN admits to being The INITIAL Aggressor, in which Case the KID was acting in Self-Defense, albeit WITHOUT use of a FireArm ...


Had Zimmerman just  STAYED  AWAY  from the Kid, as instructed by the 911 Official, NO Problem would have occured ...


Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:01PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:56PM, teilhard wrote:


So ... Zimmerman ADMITS that he had "chased" the Kid, who decided to "stand his Ground" and acted in his own Self-Defense ....


Mar 26, 2012 -- 5:16PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Apparently, the shooter in the now infamous Florida case says he was attacked, and was being beaten at the time of the shooting:

www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-us...

Exerpt:


"...But in own his version of events, as outlined in the Sentinel report, Zimmerman had given up the chase and was walking back to his sport utility vehicle when Martin approached him from behind.


The two exchanged words before Martin punched the burly Zimmerman in the nose, sending him reeling to the ground. The teenager then began pummeling him and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, the newspaper said.


At least one witness told police he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman who was calling for help, the newspaper said. It noted, however, that other witnesses had disputed who the cries were coming from.


ABC News quoted a police source as saying that Zimmerman, in a written statement, claimed that Martin also tried to take his gun before the shot was fired."


 
 








Perhaps.


But you can permanently injure, disable or kill somebody by slamming their head into the pavement just as surely as you can by shooting them.


So, in that case, the ball was back in Zimmerman's court. 








Following somebody is one thing.


Confronting somebody -- after following them back --  punching them in the nose hard enough to knock them off their feet and then slamming their head into a hard surface is something else entirely.


In that case, "self defense" on the kid's part would be pretty thin soup.


It seems you are hell-bent in seeing this only one way.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:19PM #19
teilhard
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What Injury did the Kid receive ... ???


Was an Autopsy performed ... ???  Was the FATAL GunShot Wound from Point-Blank Range ... ???


Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:10PM, IreneAdler wrote:


So does Mr. Z exhibit the bruises/injury consistent with such a scenario?


 


Irene.





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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2012 - 6:28PM #20
Marcion
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Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:19PM, teilhard wrote:


What Injury did the Kid receive ... ???


Was an Autopsy performed ... ???  Was the FATAL GunShot Wound from Point-Blank Range ... ???


Mar 26, 2012 -- 6:10PM, IreneAdler wrote:


So does Mr. Z exhibit the bruises/injury consistent with such a scenario?


 


Irene.








Here'swhat I would like to know.


How far away was he when he was shot?


How many shots were fired; how many struck the victim.?


Where was the victim hit? In front or in back.


Was he shot while running away?


Was Zimmerman standing when he fired or did he shoot while on the ground.


If Z was standing and shot the kid while he was running away, stand your ground doesn't apply.

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