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3 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2012 - 4:13PM #51
mountain_man
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Mar 10, 2012 -- 2:37PM, REteach wrote:

I spent over an hour talking to a dad last week. He even admitted that his son was inattentive and starting to have a hard time at school. Finally he admitted that his biggest problem was that he didn't want to admit anything was wrong with his son.  Who, btw, was a really sweet awesome kid who just couldn't pay attention.  I suspect that is the real problem for a lot of people.


I had trouble paying attention in grade school. I was bored. One teacher figured it out by looking at my grades; A's at the beginning of the year when new lessons were being introduced and my grades tapered off as the class went into review. She gave me extra assignments and reading books at least two grades above the rest of the class. I did great the rest of the year.


The next year the teacher was also bored and didn't bother with the slower, or faster, kids. My grades showed that.


It's not always the fault of the child and not every child that acts up in class needs to be medicated.

Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2012 - 4:17PM #52
teilhard
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***Excuse me ... ???  I have NEVER posted any such Thing ...


Mar 10, 2012 -- 2:43PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


Teilhard, all healthcare providers are NOT created equal, and there are misdiagnoses.


Again, a decision to go with a doctor's diagnosis of ADHD AND the decision to medicate should be INDIVIDUALLY made by the parents, and only after a careful and intelligent weighing of the facts and reviewing the options available to them, and not on some emotional and ignorant rant on a discussion board.


Yes, doctors do screw up and make a wrong diagnosis


And, yes, even when the diagnosis is correct and the decision to medicate is proper, it's STILL a roller coaster in trying to determine the right meds and the correct dosages.


There are, however, not near as many misdiagnoses as you make out to be.


***And you drumming out a constant DO NOT MEDICATE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES rant may actually do some parents and their child a disservice...


p.s.  I hope you have found a competent doctor who was able to correctly identify your son's condition, and that your son is thriving at school.





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3 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2012 - 8:43PM #53
CharikIeia
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Mar 10, 2012 -- 4:17PM, teilhard wrote:


***Excuse me ... ???  I have NEVER posted any such Thing ...



Technically true.


But you know how it is. When in a debate you constantly criticise only one side and never criticise the other, then you're perceived as belonging to the other. You lost your credentials as neutral arbiter.


I say this because I noticed this repeatedly in your posts; you claim a neutral stance, but when voicing critique never are even-handed. It's one-sided or silence.


Do you recognise yourself in what I just wrote, I wonder?

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2012 - 10:56PM #54
teilhard
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Here's what I think ... It ISN'T about being "neutral" ... It's about being THOUGHTFUL ...


Mar 6, 2012 -- 9:56PM, teilhard wrote:


No ... The Problem of Over-Diagnosis isn't about GENUINE Cases ... It's just a Caveat ... (Think of it as getting a second or even third Opinion before undergoing Radical Surgery ... Too often, it is too EASY to Prescribe and Dispense "Medications," which ALSO can have Radical Consequences ... )


Mar 6, 2012 -- 9:35PM, Abner1 wrote:


Many years ago I had a student in basic chemistry who was obviously quite bright but completely unfocused, with the result that he ended up with a C.  We're not allowed to bring up medical issues with students, but can discuss them if the student brings them up.  He came to me during office hours and asked if I could give him any advice on how to do better in future classes.


"Yes, go get yourself checked out for ADHD."


"But I don't have ADHD."


"Want to bet?"  I then explained the symptoms to him, he went to a specialist doctor, and ended up on medication.  It turned his life around - he went from grades ranging from B's to D's to being a straight A student, then went to medical school and became a doctor.  He sent me a copy of his first research paper along with a note saying that without my advice, it never would have gotten written.


Is ADHD overdiagnosed?  Almost certainly ...  Most of the people I've seen who supposedly had ADHD were (as far as I could tell) normal teens being medicated for typical teen problems having nothing to do with any medical disorder.  But ADHD does exist, people who have seen enough cases of it can tell it from normal teen behavior, and proper medication can address it in ways that can drastically improve their lives.


It's a shame when a medical condition being "faddish" results in so many false cases that the real cases start getting doubted.









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3 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2012 - 10:59PM #55
teilhard
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Here's what I think -- NOT "neutrally" but THOUGHTFULLY ...


I'm NOT "against Meds" ... I AM in FAVOR of CAUTION in Diagnosis and Prescription ...


Mar 9, 2012 -- 1:10PM, teilhard wrote:


This Problem of over-Diagnosis is Part, IMHO, of a broader and deeper Problem in Western Socety in general, i.e., The Medicalization of Ordinary Life, in which ANYTHING that departs significantly from The Norm is regarded as somehow "Pathology" that requires "Medication" ...






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3 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2012 - 11:27PM #56
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Yes, and I am at your side.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2012 - 11:42PM #57
teilhard
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"Moderation" is almost EVER a Good Thing -- even in taking a Physician's Advice and/or Prescriptions ...



Mar 10, 2012 -- 11:27PM, farragut wrote:


Yes, and I am at your side.





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3 years ago  ::  Mar 11, 2012 - 9:06AM #58
CharikIeia
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Thanks, Teilhard, for writing "I am  not against Meds" - when reading carefully, we all could have known. But unfortunately, we cannot assume people read carefully here, and it's better to explain a full stance instead of giving just short aspects of it. The internet is very conducive to fragments, and people have to make up their minds based on the fragments of stances that others post. As Malcolm Gladwell correctly observed, this tends to facilitate conflict and disagreement more than agreement...


So in this spirit, I also might add that I amm certainly not in favour of "better diagnosing one too many than one too little" - it can have bad consequences in both directions.


I was very impressed by Abner's story of a student being "liberated", as it were, by being diagnosed and getting a label and a concrete set of measures to handle himself. It can help when accurately done, and that is the sole purpose of the medical business.


From one of my sons' school classes, in primary school, I know the case of a boy who in class had to sit on one of these bounce balls / spacehoppers to be able to focus. It first distracted the other children, but after a while, learning in class sped up and they all formed a protective community, including the ADHD boy. Drugs are not inevitable under all circumstances.


And yes, I also know negative examples - of parents projecting all sorts of deficiencies into their children, just to distract themselves from their very own big task of educating them. That can lead to wishful ADHD diagnoses, I would guess. Never underestimate a mother's willpower...

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 11, 2012 - 11:01AM #59
teilhard
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EVERY individual "Case" is a UNIQUE Human Being, NOT just a Membrane Sack of DNA-driven Physiologies and Syndromes ... Unfortunately for any of us would-be Healers, Human Beings are almost ALWAYS more complex than our Categories like to admit ...

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 11, 2012 - 11:33AM #60
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Mar 11, 2012 -- 9:06AM, CharikIeia wrote:

....And yes, I also know negative examples - of parents projecting all sorts of deficiencies into their children, just to distract themselves from their very own big task of educating them. That can lead to wishful ADHD diagnoses, I would guess. Never underestimate a mother's willpower...


Don't forget about the school's willpower. A friend of mine had a teen aged son in public school. He had gotten trouble twice, nothing big, but the school TOLD, not requested but TOLD, him that his son had to be put on medication before he would be allowed back in school. While talking to other parents at this school he found out that any and all students that were a discipline problem were told the same thing. That's just wrong on so many levels.

Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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