Post Reply
Page 3 of 15  •  Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... 15 Next
Switch to Forum Live View ADHD Overdiagnosed in Younger Kids
3 years ago  ::  Mar 06, 2012 - 9:56PM #21
teilhard
Posts: 51,340

No ... The Problem of Over-Diagnosis isn't about GENUINE Cases ... It's just a Caveat ... (Think of it as getting a second or even third Opinion before undergoing Radical Surgery ... Too often, it is too EASY to Prescribe and Dispense "Medications," which ALSO can have Radical Consequences ... )


Mar 6, 2012 -- 9:35PM, Abner1 wrote:


Many years ago I had a student in basic chemistry who was obviously quite bright but completely unfocused, with the result that he ended up with a C.  We're not allowed to bring up medical issues with students, but can discuss them if the student brings them up.  He came to me during office hours and asked if I could give him any advice on how to do better in future classes.


"Yes, go get yourself checked out for ADHD."


"But I don't have ADHD."


"Want to bet?"  I then explained the symptoms to him, he went to a specialist doctor, and ended up on medication.  It turned his life around - he went from grades ranging from B's to D's to being a straight A student, then went to medical school and became a doctor.  He sent me a copy of his first research paper along with a note saying that without my advice, it never would have gotten written.


Is ADHD overdiagnosed?  Almost certainly ...  Most of the people I've seen who supposedly had ADHD were (as far as I could tell) normal teens being medicated for typical teen problems having nothing to do with any medical disorder.  But ADHD does exist, people who have seen enough cases of it can tell it from normal teen behavior, and proper medication can address it in ways that can drastically improve their lives.


It's a shame when a medical condition being "faddish" results in so many false cases that the real cases start getting doubted.





Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 06, 2012 - 11:45PM #22
Erey
Posts: 18,862

Farrgut,


6 years old is prime reading time.  If your grandaughter is not picking up reading like children her age are expected, you might have her see a specialized vision doctor.  I have known a couple of kids in Kinder or 1st diagnosed with ADHD but they really had an occular problem.  It seems strange that a occular problem would cause ADHD-like symptoms but they can.   If she is reading on a normal level then probably it is not a occular problem. 



Just IMO whatever issues your grandaughter might be having they are almost certainly something that can be overcome and dealt with. 

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2012 - 9:48PM #23
REteach
Posts: 14,726

Mar 6, 2012 -- 9:42PM, mountain_man wrote:


Mar 6, 2012 -- 9:12PM, farragut wrote:

We are trying to learn. My 6yo grand-daughter is at peril of being so branded when, perhaps she suffers only from lack of structure. I do not yet know, but am deeply concerned.


I would be deeply concerned about anyone other than a trained neurologist that specialized in this area making any kind of diagnosis. I'd be deeply concerned about anyone that pushes drugs on a 6 year old.



What makes you think this is a neurologist thing?  Developmental/Behavioral pediatricians are trained in ADHD.  


I have prescribed ADHD meds to kids under 6, after an evaluation by a psychologist and often an educational consultant and a Speech pathologist as well.


OTOH, last week I got chewed out by a mother who was po'd because all of us had told her that her daughter needs some counseling, not meds.  


I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2012 - 10:52PM #24
mountain_man
Posts: 39,638

Mar 7, 2012 -- 9:48PM, REteach wrote:

What makes you think this is a neurologist thing?  Developmental/Behavioral pediatricians are trained in ADHD.


Whatever. The point was to go to a PROFESSIONAL that is trained in this area and not some second grade teacher with an AA degree in art. 


...last week I got chewed out by a mother who was po'd because all of us had told her that her daughter needs some counseling, not meds. 


Which reinforces the point I made in my first post in this thread.

Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2012 - 11:42PM #25
Mlyons619
Posts: 16,572

First off, MM, teachers DO NOT - repeat - DO NOT diagnose students for ADHD.


I am a special education (SpeEd) teacher with a Master’s of Science in Special Education, and, while I can recognize the symptoms associated with a student with ADHD, I DO NOT TELL PARENTS THEIR KIDS HAVE ADHD. 


If I were to tell parents that their kid has ADHD, I would open myself up to getting fired or worse.  Show me a teacher who has DIAGNOSED a kid with ADHD and I'll show you a teacher, a school and a school district that are WIDE OPEN for a major lawsuit by the parents – and the parents would pretty much be guaranteed to win big.


What I do is write up the ACTIONS AND BEHAVIOR PATTERNS I observe in a student when reporting Behavior in report cards or observation reports, without "labeling."  A pediatrician or neurologist reading my report will recognize those symptoms as part of a diagnosis for ADHD if the parents choose to show my report.  If a parent asks me directly if their child has ADHD, I will reply that they need to get a clinical diagnosis from a pediatrician or neurologist.


Again, TEACHERS do not go off and "label" kids as ADHD unless there is a medical diagnosis of ADHD to support it.  Not all kids with ADHD are placed in special education programs or 504 plans.  Only those kids with a confirmed diagnosis of ADHD, and whose academic progress can be shown to be DIRECTLY DETRIMENTALLY IMPACTED by the condition are placed in special education – and only if the Gen Ed teacher, the SpeEd teacher, the school nurse, the administrator, and the parents ALL agree in writing to that effect.


This BTW applies to ALL schools in ALL fifty states in the Union, as regulated by the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, amended 2004 (IDEA-04).

"No freedom without education"
            --Thomas Jefferson

"NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition"
            -- Monty Python
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2012 - 12:37AM #26
Mlyons619
Posts: 16,572

Mar 5, 2012 -- 6:57PM, mountain_man wrote:


...Another child I know was "diagnosed" by a 3rd grade teacher. How the HELL! can a person with a two year degree make a medical diagnosis. She insisted the boy (almost always boys) be put on drugs. Instead of drugging their child into submission, the parents moved the boy to another school where he did great...




When did this happen and WHERE?


If a 3rd grade teacher with an Associates Degree told (e.g., "diagnosed") a parent that her boy was ADHD and he should be medicated, please tell that parent to go see a child advocate to see if a law suit is possible because that teacher just violated the law and left her school AND her district open to a lawsuit.


Now in MOST states, you can't get a teaching licenses without a FOUR YEAR BACHELORS OF EDUCATION DEGREE, which makes me wonder if this "teacher" was a substitute on a long-term assignment.


Bottom line -- teachers DO NOT DIAGNOSE, nor DO THEY PRESCRIBE.  This is true BTW in all fifty states.  See my post below this one. 


Mar 5, 2012 -- 6:57PM, mountain_man wrote:


My point is that it is not always the doctors diagnosing ADHD. Sometimes it's the parents, or others, pushing for it.




Good doctors diagnose based on the actual condition and on not the badgering of parents.  As for others, well, my point is only doctors can LEGALLY diagnose...

"No freedom without education"
            --Thomas Jefferson

"NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition"
            -- Monty Python
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2012 - 1:05AM #27
Mlyons619
Posts: 16,572

Mar 6, 2012 -- 9:12PM, farragut wrote:


We are trying to learn. My 6yo grand-daughter is at peril of being so branded when, perhaps she suffers only from lack of structure. I do not yet know, but am deeply concerned.




Is she having serious trouble in school?  Is this causing her to fall seriously behind with her peers?  If she's getting by in school, I'd leave it alone (all kids seem to lack structure in varying degrees depending on age), but if she's having REAL trouble in school, this is where I might advise you to go see a doctor about it.


BTW how far can a kid fall behind when she's only six and just starting out?  Not very far.


Mar 6, 2012 -- 9:12PM, farragut wrote:


 "most ADHD cases are bogus anyway"




BTW this is somebody's opinion and NOT a factual statement.

"No freedom without education"
            --Thomas Jefferson

"NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition"
            -- Monty Python
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2012 - 7:27AM #28
Ebon
Posts: 10,148

Mar 7, 2012 -- 11:42PM, Mlyons619 wrote:

I am a special education (SpeEd) teacher



I didn't know that about you. Thank you.

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2012 - 1:10PM #29
teilhard
Posts: 51,340

This Problem of over-Diagnosis is Part, IMHO, of a broader and deeper Problem in Western Socety in general, i.e., The Medicalization of Ordinary Life, in which ANYTHING that departs significantly from The Norm is regarded as somehow "Pathology" that requires "Medication" ...


Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2012 - 2:49PM #30
CharikIeia
Posts: 8,301

Mar 9, 2012 -- 1:10PM, teilhard wrote:


This Problem of over-Diagnosis is Part, IMHO, of a broader and deeper Problem in Western Socety in general, i.e., The Medicalization of Ordinary Life, in which ANYTHING that departs significantly from The Norm is regarded as somehow "Pathology" that requires "Medication" ...



A related and in my view more important problem is the hysteria some people attach to medical nomenclature. Just because a medical name exists for a condition, doesn't mean Western Society is deteriorating when using it. Life means change. And it is not the smartest choice for everyone to suffer publicly like Pope John Paul did; a lot of suffering is avoidable by simple medical help. There is no prize to be won by refusing modernity.

tl;dr
Quick Reply
Cancel
Page 3 of 15  •  Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... 15 Next
 
    Viewing this thread :: 0 registered and 1 guest
    No registered users viewing
    Advertisement

    Beliefnet On Facebook