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3 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2012 - 10:34AM #1
TPaine
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John C. Calhoun returns! Five Members of the Georgia Senate including President Pro Tempore Tommie Williams and Majority Leader Chip Rogers have introduced Senate Resolution 889 which would create a Joint Committee on Recommendation which would Link

91 (1) There is created the Joint Commission on Recommendation, which shall be charged
92 with recommending and proposing for a vote by a constitutional majority the nullification
93 in its entirety of a specific federal law or regulation which is deemed to be outside the
94 scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government in the United
95 States Constitution or at odds with the Georgia Constitution;


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104 (3) The commission of recommendation shall have the power to review any and all
105 existing federal statutes, mandates, and executive orders for the purpose of determining
106 the constitutionality thereof, and such commission may recommend existing federal
107 statutes, regulations, mandates, and executive orders put in place prior to the passage of
108 this resolution for nullification. The commission shall respond with its recommendations
109 within 30 days of receiving such federal legislation for consideration; and
110 (4) Upon recommendation for nullification, the General Assembly may vote to nullify
111 following such recommendation. The appropriate documentation reflecting the vote shall
112 be documented in legislative journals of the House and Senate. In the event the General
113 Assembly votes by a constitutional majority to nullify any federal statute, mandate, or
114 executive order on the grounds of constitutionality, neither the state nor its citizens shall
115 recognize or be obligated to live under such statute, mandate, or executive order.



The Constitution of the United States clearly states in Article VI Paragraph 2

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


The battle over nullification ended in the Civil War in which there over 600,000 military deaths, the most in any was in U.S. history.

"It is always to be taken for granted, that those who oppose an equality of rights never mean the exclusion should take place on themselves." -- Thomas Paine: Dissertations on First Principles of Government (July 7, 1795)
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3 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2012 - 10:39AM #2
teilhard
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So ... Maybe The "End" of The American Civil War in 1865 was in Fact only a temporary Armistice ... ???

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2012 - 10:44AM #3
mountain_man
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Is this another bonehead bill from ALEC?


I found this pack of lies on their website:


We are witnessing an unprecedented shift of power from the states to the Federal government, and increasing levels of disquiet about this situation from the states and the American people. In order to restore the appropriate balance of power between the states and the federal government, ALEC is launching “Restore the Balance: An Initiative to Restore Federalism in America.”  This Initiative will focus on advancing ALEC’s guiding principles of limited government and federalism by providing state legislators model legislation for their states and model resolutions for petitioning the U.S. Congress that will help to protect their states’ Tenth Amendment rights. Our goal is to restore our founding fathers’ intent that the states would enjoy co-equal status with the federal government.



The "disquiet" they mention is of their own invention, as is their lie about the FFs intent.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2012 - 1:05PM #4
TPaine
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Feb 26, 2012 -- 10:44AM, mountain_man wrote:


Is this another bonehead bill from ALEC?


I found this pack of lies on their website:


We are witnessing an unprecedented shift of power from the states to the Federal government, and increasing levels of disquiet about this situation from the states and the American people. In order to restore the appropriate balance of power between the states and the federal government, ALEC is launching “Restore the Balance: An Initiative to Restore Federalism in America.”  This Initiative will focus on advancing ALEC’s guiding principles of limited government and federalism by providing state legislators model legislation for their states and model resolutions for petitioning the U.S. Congress that will help to protect their states’ Tenth Amendment rights. Our goal is to restore our founding fathers’ intent that the states would enjoy co-equal status with the federal government.



The "disquiet" they mention is of their own invention, as is their lie about the FFs intent.



For those who are unfamiliar with ALEC, it is the American Legislative Exchange Council (founded by Paul Weyrich in 1973) which is made up of conservative state legislators and corporate executives such as the Koch brothers. They should explain why, if the Founding Fathers intended that the state and federal governments to be equal, did they add the general welfare, commerce, and supremacy clauses to the Constitution. The Framers wrote the Constitution to replace the Articles of Confederation because they realized a confederation of sovereign states and an impotent federal government is unworkable. In July 2011 the Nation magazine published an exposé of ALEC's secret model bills the magazine obtained from a whistle-blower. Link

"It is always to be taken for granted, that those who oppose an equality of rights never mean the exclusion should take place on themselves." -- Thomas Paine: Dissertations on First Principles of Government (July 7, 1795)
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3 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2012 - 1:13PM #5
Ken
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This is just Johnny Reb rearing his ugly head again. Some people in the South still can't reconcile themselves to the fact that they lost the Civil War. They probably want to get their slaves back too.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 26, 2012 - 7:46PM #6
Roodog
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There was a Nullificaton Crisis back in the 1830's, I believe (I could be off by ten years) this was among the first  Sectional rumblings that eventually led to the Civil War. The main perpetrator was South Carolina back then and that state was the first to secede and fired the opening shots of the Civil War.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 8:23PM #7
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 9:14PM #8
Unworthyone
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This is so phoney.  The vast majority of federal requirements are tied to federal money.  For instance, highway funds are doled out to the states each year, and with those funds come federal standards for building roads.  If the states do not want federal "intrusion" into their business, they can simply forego the money.  How much more simple can it get?


Who remembers the federal 55 mph speed limit?  States were 'required' to post and enforce the law.  If they did not, they risked losing their federal highway funds.  That is all.  No imprisonment, no fines or any other consequences for the states.  Every single state voluntarily surrendered their sovereignty in exchange for highway funds.


Unemployment funds?  Tell the feds to keep them.


Education funds? Tell the feds to pound sand!


Police and fire protection funds?  Send a message, loud and clear.


If you take the king's coin, you will do the kings bidding.  End of story!


Until the states, and the pandering politicians in them, give up the federal money, I think they ought to just shut up!


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2 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 10:02PM #9
Bodean
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Mar 4, 2012 -- 9:14PM, Unworthyone wrote:


This is so phoney.  The vast majority of federal requirements are tied to federal money.  For instance, highway funds are doled out to the states each year, and with those funds come federal standards for building roads.  If the states do not want federal "intrusion" into their business, they can simply forego the money.  How much more simple can it get?




Yep .. and this is the center of the issue.


The Fed TAKES OUR MONEY .. then DICTATES to us, while holding our money hostage.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 10:08PM #10
TENAC
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Feb 26, 2012 -- 1:13PM, Ken wrote:


This is just Johnny Reb rearing his ugly head again. Some people in the South still can't reconcile themselves to the fact that they lost the Civil War. They probably want to get their slaves back too.




Perhaps we could bring reparations into the negotiations for families of former slave holders?(//sarcasm off)  Innocent

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