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Washington Governor Signs Same-Sex Marriage Bill
1 month ago  ::  Apr 18, 2012 - 9:33AM #23
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Where, like the Titanic and the myriad other threads that get "moved" here, they sit and rust from disuse.


 


What an abhorrent 'policy'.

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 22, 2012 - 11:44AM #22
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 15, 2012 - 9:03PM #21
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Same sex marriage is clearly a much bigger problem than the economy, education, crime, health care, infrastructure, etc.  Undecided  Some people need to get a life. 

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 15, 2012 - 4:15PM #20
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Washington Governor Chris Gregoire signed the bill Monday, saying it was "a day historians will mark as a milestone for equal rights, a day when we did what was right, we did what was just, and we did what was fair."


The law takes effect June 7.


However, opponents on multiple fronts already are preparing to overturn the law.  A group called Preserve Marriage Washington filed Referendum 73 Monday afternoon.  If the group collects the more than 120,577 valid voter signatures needed by June 6 to get a measure on the ballot, then the law will be put on hold pending the outcome of a November vote.  Separately, an initiative was filed at the beginning of the legislative session that opponents of same-sex marriage say could also lead to the new law being overturned.


The National Organization for Marriage - which is based in DC and was involved in ballot measures that overturned same-sex marriage in California and Maine - has promised to work with Preserve Marriage Washington to qualify the referendum for the ballot.


OTOH, a campaign has already formed to fight any challenge to the new law.  Washington United for Marriage, a coalition of gay marriage supporters, formed in November to lobby the Legislature to pass the measure and to run a campaign against any referendum challenging it.


Gay marriage supporters said that while they are ready for a campaign battle,  they are allowing themselves to celebrate first.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 1:50PM #19
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 6:50AM, sydneymoon wrote:


Good mornin' Maine!




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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 6:50AM #18
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Good mornin' Maine!

Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 6:48AM #17
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Feb 8, 2012 -- 10:56PM, Do_unto_others wrote:


One by one, justice is done.




Agreed

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 12:23AM #16
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 12:06AM, Ebon wrote:


Feb 11, 2012 -- 8:23PM, TemplarS wrote:

As to the percentage of the population that is gay, probably misleading since there is a continuum from gay to bi to straight.  From what I have read, 4% is not a bad number for the number of gays, but if you include bi's as well as those who might have had any same-sex encounters at all, yes, it is higher.  But still a considerable minority.



Four percent is the number of people who self-declare as gay when asked. Now, since being gay in our culture carries all kinds of associations, a lot of people who only have sex with members of their own sex choose not to identify as gay. This is why the terms MSM and WSW were created (men who have sex with men and women who have sex with women respectively). Once you include them, the number gets up to about eight percent. And once you include us bisexuals, you're up to more like sixteen percent.


Bottom line: There's a hell of a lot more than four percent around.




I bet there are more then that. That just never say. Especially in the bi range. Since so many people who declare being hetero, will say they chose to be so. Makes me wonder. One day when no one is afraid or has to be afraid (I hope that day comes) will find out a lot of people are not quite as hetero as we have been lead to believe.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 12:06AM #15
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Feb 11, 2012 -- 8:23PM, TemplarS wrote:

As to the percentage of the population that is gay, probably misleading since there is a continuum from gay to bi to straight.  From what I have read, 4% is not a bad number for the number of gays, but if you include bi's as well as those who might have had any same-sex encounters at all, yes, it is higher.  But still a considerable minority.



Four percent is the number of people who self-declare as gay when asked. Now, since being gay in our culture carries all kinds of associations, a lot of people who only have sex with members of their own sex choose not to identify as gay. This is why the terms MSM and WSW were created (men who have sex with men and women who have sex with women respectively). Once you include them, the number gets up to about eight percent. And once you include us bisexuals, you're up to more like sixteen percent.


Bottom line: There's a hell of a lot more than four percent around.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 11, 2012 - 8:23PM #14
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Feb 11, 2012 -- 6:05PM, Yavanna wrote:




People in Washington don't have to get out and vote. Everything is mailed to them. There is no public voting. As a result, there's high voter participation.


Also, the LGBT population is much higher than 3-4%.





Well, that is interesting about the mail ballots.  I didn't know that, and yes, I think that might make a difference.  Good point.


As to the percentage of the population that is gay, probably misleading since there is a continuum from gay to bi to straight.  From what I have read, 4% is not a bad number for the number of gays, but if you include bi's as well as those who might have had any same-sex encounters at all, yes, it is higher.  But still a considerable minority.


I am not saying this justifies discrimination against minorities, only that it makes public referendums a dicey prospect.  As to that:


Feb 11, 2012 -- 5:00PM, Tpaine wrote:


Since the government gives benefits to married couples that are not given to unmarried individuals, depriving LGBT couples the right to marry violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. 





Agreed, and if this works out, it makes referendums moot.  But it doesn't matter what you or I think, but what the courts rule, as the California case works its way forward.   All I can say, as a practical matter, is: I hope you have faith in Justice Kennedy.  


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