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6 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2012 - 3:21PM #31
teilhard
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However ...


It is generally understood that "Paul" is NOT The Author of "Hebrews" ...


Anyway, The Christian Way and Tradition do NOT depend entirely on "Paul" (see, e.g., "The Letter of James") OR on any one particular SINGLE Book of The Canon ...


Jan 26, 2012 -- 1:28PM, Ben Masada wrote:


Jan 25, 2012 -- 2:34PM, teilhard wrote:


Same here, exactly so ...


As previously noted MANY times, NOT all People of Faith are un-Reasonable "Fundamentalist"-"Creationist"-"Literalists" ...


Jan 25, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Ben Masada wrote:





I cannot imagine how people of faith can be reasonable, considering the Pauline definition that faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen. (Heb. 11:1)  And if once what is hoped for is realized, could it be the end of faith? How can things not seen be evidence at all, let alone of faith? The Psalmist rather declares that things created are evidences of God's handiworks. As any one can see, he meant things we can see, as the universe.  (Psalm 19:1) I would define faith as rather a form of belief in which we have simply conventionalized to be there. That's one of two forms of belief; being the other to believe on the basis of probability. This yes, can be said to be reasonable.


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6 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2012 - 1:37PM #32
Ben Masada
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Jan 26, 2012 -- 3:21PM, teilhard wrote:


However ...


It is generally understood that "Paul" is NOT The Author of "Hebrews" ...


Anyway, The Christian Way and Tradition do NOT depend entirely on "Paul" (see, e.g., "The Letter of James") OR on any one particular SINGLE Book of The Canon ...


Jan 26, 2012 -- 1:28PM, Ben Masada wrote:


Jan 25, 2012 -- 2:34PM, teilhard wrote:


Same here, exactly so ...


As previously noted MANY times, NOT all People of Faith are un-Reasonable "Fundamentalist"-"Creationist"-"Literalists" ...


Jan 25, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Ben Masada wrote:





I cannot imagine how people of faith can be reasonable, considering the Pauline definition that faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen. (Heb. 11:1)  And if once what is hoped for is realized, could it be the end of faith? How can things not seen be evidence at all, let alone of faith? The Psalmist rather declares that things created are evidences of God's handiworks. As any one can see, he meant things we can see, as the universe.  (Psalm 19:1) I would define faith as rather a form of belief in which we have simply conventionalized to be there. That's one of two forms of belief; being the other to believe on the basis of probability. This yes, can be said to be reasonable.


Ben




It is no longer understood that the letter to the Hebrews was not written by Paul. Only at the time it was written, it was supposed to be kept in secret for security reasons in favor of the little christian community of Judea. In spite of other things being considered, they become unnecessary vis-a-vis the style of the letter to the Hebrews which is no different from the other Pauline letters to the churches. The Pauline hand is present in every page.


When Paul had returned to Jerusalem after three years spreading his gospel throughout Damascus and Saudi Arabia, he tried to join the Sect of the Nazarenes, and was in the process of being rejected by the Apostles for his history of a persecutor of the "New Way" which was a name for the newly established Sect of the Nazarenes. (Acts 9:1,2)


Paul had an old friend in Barnabas who was a VIP in the Sect. Barnabas intervened between Paul and James and interceeded for Paul in terms that he, Barnabas, would keep an eye on him, so to speak, as if Paul was a fool. Barnabas relaxed the surveilance on Paul and this caused such a havoc in Jerusalem, preaching all around that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God and that he had resurrected. So much so that the local Jews were after him to arrest and bring to trial. At this climax, James and the Elders took Paul down to Ceasarea and from there they sent him back to Tarsus where he belonged. From that day on and for the next 14 years Paul did not set foot in Jerusalem. There was a price on his head and nothing from or by him could enter the Land of Israel. That's why his letter to the Hebrews was written anonymously. He didn't want to harm the status quo of the christian community which was still gathering in private houses. They were forbidden to build a church in Israeli soil. After the destruction of the Temple, and in a much greater scale, after 312 ACE, the Church took real roots in Israel.


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