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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 5:49PM #11
DotNotInOz
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Nov 9, 2011 -- 4:32PM, Wanderingal wrote:

Templar--I'm going to disagree with your immediately above post.


I think that as the transparent current investigation continues and more information about exactly what Sandusky did to those boys comes out Paterno will get even more public censure for not having done everything within his power to stop the abusive behavior.


So much for "innocent until proven guilty."

You've clearly already tried and convicted Sandusky and Paterno in the U.S. Court of Public Opinion.  

When will you announce what their sentences are? That appears to be all that remains to be done. 

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 5:58PM #12
Wanderingal
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The grad student's statement was released by the current DA who is leading this new investigation.


I guess because the DA finds it reliable I do too.


 


Also Joe himself said in a statement today that "in hindsight I realize I did not do enough."


I take his words as explaining how he feels about what he did NOT do.


So we at least know--from Joe himself that he is feeling some remorse for not doing more to protect the victim using whatever info he did have.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 6:04PM #13
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Hello,



Penn St. officials need to get to the bottom of this as far as it goes. JoePa should be fired Now and the rest of the season should be forfeited. My $.02



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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 6:51PM #14
DotNotInOz
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Why should Paterno be fired? Reportedly, he not only did what he was required to do under university policy but has been called as a prosecution witness. No charges have been filed against Paterno.

So, you just know he deserves to be fired immediately for what conceivable reason? That he simply "has to be guilty"?
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 6:53PM #15
loveontheair
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Nov 9, 2011 -- 6:51PM, DotNotInOz wrote:

Why should Paterno be fired? Reportedly, he not only did what he was required to do under university policy but has been called as a prosecution witness. No charges have been filed against Paterno. So, you just know he deserves to be fired immediately for what conceivable reason? That he simply "has to be guilty"?




Hello,



The question is why should he stay?



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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 7:10PM #16
DotNotInOz
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No, you're the one who claimed he should be fired now. For what?
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 7:15PM #17
loveontheair
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Nov 9, 2011 -- 7:10PM, DotNotInOz wrote:

No, you're the one who claimed he should be fired now. For what?




Hello,



The investagation needs to get to the bottom of this and that includes the coach. This needs to be shut down so the investagators can do their jobs. Now the DOE is involved. If Spanier is gone why should this man be there. Fill in the Blanks...



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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 8:00PM #18
DotNotInOz
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Because we don't fire people for doing what they're supposed to do, that's why.

Now, IF further investigation shows good reason for Paterno to be fired, that's another situation entirely. But you didn't say that; you said he should be fired now.

It figures. Anymore, people regard even a remote suspicion as evidence of guilt.

That's wrong, terribly wrong and harmful.
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 8:22PM #19
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Resignation was the proper move.


In his position, beyond the legal responsibility, he has a certain moral responsibility, which he failed to fulfill.


He recognizes that, obviously.  People make mistakes, they cannot be undone, and they have consequences.


I don't think he needs to be crucified beyond that.



But the facts need to come out, and there is much yet to be explained.  Primarily, what sort of discussions took place between the AD and others in the administration (what others needs to be determined as well); and why, unlike Mr. Paterno, those gentlemen chose not to discharge even their legal responsibilities.  Also, there is the ugly little question about an earlier investigation of Sandusky.  This was evidently back in 1998, well before the Paterno incident, but after many of the "alleged" abuses took place.  What went wrong with this investigation,  why nothing came of it- these are also hard questions needing answers.

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 09, 2011 - 8:51PM #20
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Nov 9, 2011 -- 8:22PM, TemplarS wrote:


Resignation was the proper move.


In his position, beyond the legal responsibility, he has a certain moral responsibility, which he failed to fulfill.


He recognizes that, obviously.  People make mistakes, they cannot be undone, and they have consequences.


I don't think he needs to be crucified beyond that.



But the facts need to come out, and there is much yet to be explained.  Primarily, what sort of discussions took place between the AD and others in the administration (what others needs to be determined as well); and why, unlike Mr. Paterno, those gentlemen chose not to discharge even their legal responsibilities.  Also, there is the ugly little question about an earlier investigation of Sandusky.  This was evidently back in 1998, well before the Paterno incident, but after many of the "alleged" abuses took place.  What went wrong with this investigation,  why nothing came of it- these are also hard questions needing answers.




I disagree about Coach Paterno. He fulfilled his obligation. Whether others in the admin of Penn State did will come out.


I don't totally buy the analogy to what went on in the RCC, either. Bishops were told by Rome not to report to anyone but Rome. Those of us who were reading in the mid-eighties knew what was afoot with covering up the scandal. Thomas Doyle, OP made his report to John Paul II circa 1985 and Rome did little but obstruct. This was massive abuse, over centuries as we now know. Andrew Greeley was writing about it in the mid-eighties, long before the Boston Globe broke it wide open. Father Greeley warned Cardinal Joseph Bernardin of Chicago and Bernardin began to take steps of his own.


Thomas Doyle, a Dominican paid dearly for the report he submitted. Father Doyle, along with Sipe and Wall published a definitive book SEX, PRIESTS and SECRET CODES in 2006 about sexual abuse within the RCC going back to the first century, CE. John Paul II commissioned Thomas Doyle to search and report originally.


And Coach Paterno is now 84........................., long past normal retirement.


 


 



 

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