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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 7:30PM #31
Rgurley4
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Midutch ...Post #6
Expect a very long "the Bible is right because it says right in the Bible that the Bible is right" post .... (with lots and lots of Biblequotes as "evidence")...Yep..here it comes!
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The Bible is a bronze age collection of myths, fables and fairy tales. Whether history corresponds to it is irrelevant....incorrect conclusion based on NO EVIDENCE!



 New Testament EVIDENCE:


Is there any archeological evidence for Jesus of Nazareth?
No, but there is solid evidence for Pontius Pilate and other characters.


Are there any historical documents referencing Jesus of Nazareth?
Yes. The four Gospels and Acts 1-12 covering His existence in history. His "type" is throughout the OT. His life / teachings are interpreted by all the authors of the NT.


My Christian VIEWS: The Bible (Scripture) is the supreme authority when compared to other writings and precepts. All of the ACTUAL WORDS therein were "Spirit Inspired", and "superintended" by God.
The ~40 authors and their scribes recorded these words in "original manuscripts" which were without error.
Systematic study of Scripture leads one to the conclusion that it is God's supreme way of speaking to Man.
The "economy" or God's methods of relating to Man changed from Old Testament times to New Testament due to the historical appearance of Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, the God-Man.


The Bible as a piece of literature is withhout peer, and it has been miraculously preserved, translated, and distributed.


PRIMARY TESTS: Authenticity and Authority produces "historical accuracy"
The first passing: all 27 books of the NT were accepted by the Council of Carthage, ~397 AD.
There are more than 5000 manuscripts of the New Testament....the best attested document of ALL ancient writings.
There are numerous fragments dating from ~135 -800 AD written on papyrus. There are hundreds of accurate parchment
copies produced in the 4th-5th centuries. There are ~86,000 quotations in old Latin, Latin, Syriac, and Egyptian translations
from the 3rd century. There is more scholarly work done on this piece of literature than any other in existence.(Ryrie 2084)


Conclusion:
The New Testament translations in ANY version have been based on
copious, reliable, accurate, authentic words from ~40 authors
who were spirit inspired, authorized and accepted "historians" of the truth.


The Bible is unique.


1. Self-proving and proclaiming...spirit inspired and superintended...
    2 Timothy 3: 14-17; John 20:30-31 (NIV); 21:25; Luke 24:27; John 14:26; Hebrews 4:12
2. UNITY...the Bible covers hundreds of topics, yet it does not contradict itself in its major truths and theme
   It remains united in its theme. ...written over a span of ~1500 years...written by ~ forty men from every walk of life
   ...written in ~ Asia, Africa, and Europe...the UNIFIED THEME: God's relation to humanity and all of creation.
3. The Bible has changed / spiritually transformed the lives of all sorts of and millions of people.
4. Indestructibility: the most well-known book in the history of the world...the most attacked book in the world.
5. Archaeology...King Solomon's wealth at Megiddo, in northern Palestine...`Pontius Pilate, Praefect Judaea.' archaeological digs are often not sponsored by Christian groups seeking to prove the Bible. 
 Most are sponsored by governmental agencies or educational institutions, many of them Jewish or Muslim.
6. Prophecy: there are ~300 prophecies made about Jesus in the Old Testament. Prophecies such as His place of birth, how Hewould die, His rejection by the nation of Israel, etc. Many of these prophecies were made hundreds of years before Jesus ever came as a Man to earth, and they were fulfilled in His life and ministry.


REFS:


A General Introduction to the Bible, Norman Geisler and William E. Nix


The Bible as History, Werner Keller


The Archaeology of Palestine, W.F. Albright


The Bible Fact or Fantasy?, John Drane


Christianity: A Ready Defence, Josh McDowell

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 7:45PM #32
hamerhas
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Oct 18, 2011 -- 6:34PM, d_p_m wrote:


Oct 18, 2011 -- 12:31PM, hamerhas wrote:


We know that the bible account would mandate one of the longest reigning pharaohs , immediately


followed by one of the shortest reigns occuring at the tail end of egypt's world prominence as being




 


Here is a list of the Kings of England, with the length of their reigns.


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Name Reign Duration
from to days years/days
Henry III 18 or 19 October 1216 16 November 1272 20,482 or
20,483
56 years, 28 days
or 29 days
Edward III 25 January 1327 21 June 1377 18,410 50 years, 147 days
Elizabeth I 17 November 1558 24 March 1603 16,198 44 years, 127 days
Henry VI 31 August 1422 4 March 1461 14,065 38 years, 185 days
31 October 1470 11 April 1471 162 162 days
Æthelred II 18 March 978 25 December 1013 13,065 35 years, 282 days
3 February 1014 23 April 1016 810 2 years, 80 days
Henry VIII 22 April 1509 28 January 1547 13,795 37 years, 281 days
Henry I 3 August 1100 1 December 1135 12,903 35 years, 120 days
Henry II
(co-ruler with Henry the Young King)
25 October 1154 6 July 1189 12,673 34 years, 254 days
Edward I 20 November 1272 7 July 1307 12,646 34 years, 229 days
Alfred 24 April 871 26 October 899 10,412 28 years, 185 days
Edward the Elder 27 October 899 17 July 924 9,029 24 years, 264 days
Charles II[4] 29 May 1660 6 February 1685 9,019 24 years, 253 days
Charles I[5] 27 March 1625 30 January 1649 8,710 23 years, 309 days
Henry VII 22 August 1485 21 April 1509 8,642 23 years, 242 days
Edward the Confessor 8 June 1042 5 January 1066 8,612 23 years, 211 days
Richard II 22 June 1377 29 September 1399 8,134 22 years, 99 days
James I[1] 24 March 1603 27 March 1625 8,039 22 years, 3 days
Edward IV 4 March 1461 3 October 1470 3,500 9 years, 213 days
11 April 1471 9 April 1483 4,381 11 years, 363 days
William I 12 December 1066 9 September 1087 7,563 20 years, 258 days
Edward II 7 July 1307 20 January 1327 7,137 19 years, 197 days
Cnut 30 November 1016 12 November 1035 6,921 18 years, 347 days
Stephen 22 December 1135 7 April 1141 1,933 5 years, 106 days
1 November 1141 25 October 1154 4,741 12 years, 358 days
John 6 April 1199 19 October 1216 6,406 17 years, 196 days
Edgar I 1 October 959 8 July 975 5,759 15 years, 280 days
Æthelstan 2 August 924
(or 925)
27 October 939 5,564 or
5,199
15 years, 86 days
or 14 years, 86 days
Henry IV 29 September 1399 20 March 1413 4,920 13 years, 172 days
William III[6]
(co-ruler with Mary II)
13 February 1689 8 March 1702 4,770 13 years, 23 days
Henry the Young King
(co-ruler with Henry II)
14 June 1170 11 June 1183 4,745 12 years, 362 days
William II 9 September 1087 2 August 1100 4,710 12 years, 327 days
Anne[3] 8 March 1702 1 August 1714 4,529 12 years, 146 days
Richard I 6 July 1189 6 April 1199 3,561 9 years, 274 days
Eadred 26 May 946 23 November 955 3,468 9 years, 181 days
Henry V 21 March 1413 31 August 1422 3,450 9 years, 163 days
Edmund I 27 October 939 26 May 946 2,403 6 years, 211 days
Edward VI 28 January 1547 6 July 1553 2,351 6 years, 159 days
Mary II[7]
(co-ruler with William III)
13 February 1689 28 December 1694 2,144 5 years, 318 days
Mary I
(co-ruler with Philip)
19 July 1553 17 November 1558 1,947 5 years, 121 days
Philip
(co-ruler with Mary I)
25 July 1554 17 November 1558 1,576 4 years, 115 days
James II[8] 6 February 1685 11 December 1688 1,404 3 years, 309 days
Eadwig 23 November 955 1 October 959 1,043 2 years, 312 days
Edward the Martyr 9 July 975 18 March 978 984 2 years, 253 days
Harold I 12 November 1037 17 March 1040 856 2 years, 126 days
Harthacnut 17 March 1040 8 June 1042 813 2 years, 83 days
Richard III 26 June 1483 22 August 1485 788 2 years, 57 days
Louis (disputed) 14 June 1216 22 September 1217 465 1 year, 100 days
Harold II 5 January 1066 14 October 1066 282 282 days
Edmund II 23 April 1016 30 November 1016 221 221 days
Matilda (disputed) 7 April 1141 1 November 1141 208 208 days
Edward V 9 April 1483 26 June 1483 78 78 days
Edgar II 15 October 1066 17 December 1066 63 63 days
Sweyn Forkbeard 25 December 1013 3 February 1014 40 40 days
Jane (disputed) 10 July 1553 19 July 1553 9 9 days

 


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As you can see, there are a number of very long reigns, and a number of very short ones.


Do you suppose that some of the short ones came after long ones? (hint: consider Sweyn Forkbeard).


Logically,  short reigns are more likely to be associated with times of war,  economic problems, civil unrest, invasion, etc.  (can you spell  "Implosion"?)


So, given that short reigns often follow long ones,  and are more likely in troubled times, why should we attribute any  significance to the length of reign of various pharohs, in the absence  of other evidence?


 




Thus the needed focus being on the SPECIFIC period surrounding the sudden, dramatic


scientifically established, collapse, demise, implosion, etc,etc,etc,,,, of the Egyption throne.


A historical fact you have have already acknowledged you are clueless about.


And as if we are not already convinced, you continue to establish your rock-ribbed cluelessness


in this regard by trying to make broad-brush application of the entire history of the English


throne.


Your time would have been much better spent brushing up on the Egyption throne , with


emphasis on the specific period in question. 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 7:51PM #33
Blü
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Rgurley


The four Gospels and Acts 1-12 covering His existence in history.


None is an eyewitness account. None is a contemporary account.  None is an independent account.  The existence of an historical Jesus continues to be problematic.


His life / teachings are interpreted by all the authors of the NT.


Some, such as Crossan, argue that there's a central body of teaching which may be authentic.  Plainly some of the teaching is from Greek Cynic philosophy, such as leaving wealth, taking to the roads, trusting in God to provide &c.  Some of it is blatantly self-serving - Paul's declaration that Yahweh wants the congregation to pay for a professional priest, and other arguments favoring the authority of bishops, for example. The rest seems to reflect the politics of the different factions whose colliding views led to alternative versions of the gospels in the first place.


The Bible as a piece of literature is withhout peer


There are far better fictions, histories, science books, psychology books, anthropology books,  political books, wisdom books, poetry, polemics - what do you mean, without peer?


The New Testament translations in ANY version have been based on copious, reliable, accurate, authentic words from ~40 authors who were spirit inspired, authorized and accepted "historians" of the truth.


You'll have to delete 'reliable', 'accurate', 'authentic', 'truth' and (if you mean inspired by a supernatural being rather than by brandy) 'spirit-inspired' before your statement is tenable.  And we don't know how many authors were involved - just that every one of them wrote fiction or at very best, hearsay - stories heard or made up by others.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 7:55PM #34
d_p_m
Posts: 9,013

Oct 18, 2011 -- 7:45PM, hamerhas wrote:


Oct 18, 2011 -- 6:34PM, d_p_m wrote:


Oct 18, 2011 -- 12:31PM, hamerhas wrote:


We know that the bible account would mandate one of the longest reigning pharaohs , immediately


followed by one of the shortest reigns occuring at the tail end of egypt's world prominence as being




 


Here is a list of the Kings of England, with the length of their reigns.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Name Reign Duration
from to days years/days
Henry III 18 or 19 October 1216 16 November 1272 20,482 or
20,483
56 years, 28 days
or 29 days
Edward III 25 January 1327 21 June 1377 18,410 50 years, 147 days
Elizabeth I 17 November 1558 24 March 1603 16,198 44 years, 127 days
Henry VI 31 August 1422 4 March 1461 14,065 38 years, 185 days
31 October 1470 11 April 1471 162 162 days
Æthelred II 18 March 978 25 December 1013 13,065 35 years, 282 days
3 February 1014 23 April 1016 810 2 years, 80 days
Henry VIII 22 April 1509 28 January 1547 13,795 37 years, 281 days
Henry I 3 August 1100 1 December 1135 12,903 35 years, 120 days
Henry II
(co-ruler with Henry the Young King)
25 October 1154 6 July 1189 12,673 34 years, 254 days
Edward I 20 November 1272 7 July 1307 12,646 34 years, 229 days
Alfred 24 April 871 26 October 899 10,412 28 years, 185 days
Edward the Elder 27 October 899 17 July 924 9,029 24 years, 264 days
Charles II[4] 29 May 1660 6 February 1685 9,019 24 years, 253 days
Charles I[5] 27 March 1625 30 January 1649 8,710 23 years, 309 days
Henry VII 22 August 1485 21 April 1509 8,642 23 years, 242 days
Edward the Confessor 8 June 1042 5 January 1066 8,612 23 years, 211 days
Richard II 22 June 1377 29 September 1399 8,134 22 years, 99 days
James I[1] 24 March 1603 27 March 1625 8,039 22 years, 3 days
Edward IV 4 March 1461 3 October 1470 3,500 9 years, 213 days
11 April 1471 9 April 1483 4,381 11 years, 363 days
William I 12 December 1066 9 September 1087 7,563 20 years, 258 days
Edward II 7 July 1307 20 January 1327 7,137 19 years, 197 days
Cnut 30 November 1016 12 November 1035 6,921 18 years, 347 days
Stephen 22 December 1135 7 April 1141 1,933 5 years, 106 days
1 November 1141 25 October 1154 4,741 12 years, 358 days
John 6 April 1199 19 October 1216 6,406 17 years, 196 days
Edgar I 1 October 959 8 July 975 5,759 15 years, 280 days
Æthelstan 2 August 924
(or 925)
27 October 939 5,564 or
5,199
15 years, 86 days
or 14 years, 86 days
Henry IV 29 September 1399 20 March 1413 4,920 13 years, 172 days
William III[6]
(co-ruler with Mary II)
13 February 1689 8 March 1702 4,770 13 years, 23 days
Henry the Young King
(co-ruler with Henry II)
14 June 1170 11 June 1183 4,745 12 years, 362 days
William II 9 September 1087 2 August 1100 4,710 12 years, 327 days
Anne[3] 8 March 1702 1 August 1714 4,529 12 years, 146 days
Richard I 6 July 1189 6 April 1199 3,561 9 years, 274 days
Eadred 26 May 946 23 November 955 3,468 9 years, 181 days
Henry V 21 March 1413 31 August 1422 3,450 9 years, 163 days
Edmund I 27 October 939 26 May 946 2,403 6 years, 211 days
Edward VI 28 January 1547 6 July 1553 2,351 6 years, 159 days
Mary II[7]
(co-ruler with William III)
13 February 1689 28 December 1694 2,144 5 years, 318 days
Mary I
(co-ruler with Philip)
19 July 1553 17 November 1558 1,947 5 years, 121 days
Philip
(co-ruler with Mary I)
25 July 1554 17 November 1558 1,576 4 years, 115 days
James II[8] 6 February 1685 11 December 1688 1,404 3 years, 309 days
Eadwig 23 November 955 1 October 959 1,043 2 years, 312 days
Edward the Martyr 9 July 975 18 March 978 984 2 years, 253 days
Harold I 12 November 1037 17 March 1040 856 2 years, 126 days
Harthacnut 17 March 1040 8 June 1042 813 2 years, 83 days
Richard III 26 June 1483 22 August 1485 788 2 years, 57 days
Louis (disputed) 14 June 1216 22 September 1217 465 1 year, 100 days
Harold II 5 January 1066 14 October 1066 282 282 days
Edmund II 23 April 1016 30 November 1016 221 221 days
Matilda (disputed) 7 April 1141 1 November 1141 208 208 days
Edward V 9 April 1483 26 June 1483 78 78 days
Edgar II 15 October 1066 17 December 1066 63 63 days
Sweyn Forkbeard 25 December 1013 3 February 1014 40 40 days
Jane (disputed) 10 July 1553 19 July 1553 9 9 days

 


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As you can see, there are a number of very long reigns, and a number of very short ones.


Do you suppose that some of the short ones came after long ones? (hint: consider Sweyn Forkbeard).


Logically,  short reigns are more likely to be associated with times of war,  economic problems, civil unrest, invasion, etc.  (can you spell  "Implosion"?)


So, given that short reigns often follow long ones,  and are more likely in troubled times, why should we attribute any  significance to the length of reign of various pharohs, in the absence  of other evidence?


 




Thus the needed focus being on the SPECIFIC period surrounding the sudden, dramatic


scientifically established, collapse, demise, implosion, etc,etc,etc,,,, of the Egyption throne.


A historical fact you have have already acknowledged you are clueless about.


And as if we are not already convinced, you continue to establish your rock-ribbed cluelessness


in this regard by trying to make broad-brush application of the entire history of the English


throne.


Your time would have been much better spent brushing up on the Egyption throne , with


emphasis on the specific period in question. 




Obviously you are having a problem understanding the principles of logical inference.


And your reading comprehension is obviously not up to snuff - I have acknowledged nothing, and will not do so until you provide something that has some basis other than your ill-expressed opinions.


If you are going to base some extraordinary claim on the basis that some reigns are short and some are long - which the English data shows is the normal sort of random distribution one would expect - then you are going to have to come up with something better than a fuzzy "I think this poorly specified event can be twisted to support my preconceptions".


If long and short reigns are the norm - which the data shows - then anything you try to conclude from that should occasion a hearty "So how do you think you got that"?


I also note that you still seem to be incapable of coming up with your wished for two pharohs, date, and dynasty. For someone who is trying to make a point, you sure have a funny way of doing it.


 

PHARAOH IRY-HOR, FROM THE 3100s BC, IS THE FIRST HUMAN WHOSE NAME WE KNOW.

-- cool facts from xkcd


"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

-- Albert Einstein
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 7:57PM #35
d_p_m
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Oct 18, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Rgurley4 wrote:


My Christian VIEWS: The Bible (Scripture) is the supreme authority when compared to other writings and precepts. All of the ACTUAL WORDS therein were "Spirit Inspired", and "superintended" by God. 




Blah. Your "God", not even the God of many Christians, let alone the rest of us.


And as a 'supreme authority', the bible is a pretty epic fail.

PHARAOH IRY-HOR, FROM THE 3100s BC, IS THE FIRST HUMAN WHOSE NAME WE KNOW.

-- cool facts from xkcd


"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

-- Albert Einstein
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 8:02PM #36
d_p_m
Posts: 9,013

Oct 18, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Rgurley4 wrote:


The Bible is unique.


1. Self-proving 





Ok, you just shot your argument it the head, right there.


Any particular book is unique, each in its own way.


As already noted here and elsewhere, the bible doesn't get particularly high marks for credibility, consistency, accuracy, or morality.


And nothing is 'self-proving'. If you think it is, then you have lost the path so completely that anything you say about 'proof' is going to have to be examined closely for hidden assumpions and unfounded premises, as well as logical errors.

PHARAOH IRY-HOR, FROM THE 3100s BC, IS THE FIRST HUMAN WHOSE NAME WE KNOW.

-- cool facts from xkcd


"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

-- Albert Einstein
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 8:19PM #37
Ken
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Oct 18, 2011 -- 7:45PM, hamerhas wrote:


Thus the needed focus being on the SPECIFIC period surrounding the sudden, dramatic


scientifically established, collapse, demise, implosion, etc,etc,etc,,,, of the Egyption throne.



Specify the exact period to which you are referring. Do this in your very next post, and don't do anything else until you have. You're not being methodical.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 9:02PM #38
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Oct 18, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Rgurley4 wrote:


 


My Christian VIEWS: The Bible (Scripture) is the supreme authority when compared to other writings and precepts. All of the ACTUAL WORDS therein were "Spirit Inspired", and "superintended" by God.
The ~40 authors and their scribes recorded these words in "original manuscripts" which were without error.
Systematic study of Scripture leads one to the conclusion that it is God's supreme way of speaking to Man.
The "economy" or God's methods of relating to Man changed from Old Testament times to New Testament due to the historical appearance of Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, the God-Man.


The Bible as a piece of literature is withhout peer, and it has been miraculously preserved, translated, and distributed.


 




 


Go easy on the "Christian" when you spout that kind of dogma.  You don't own the trademark.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 9:19PM #39
hamerhas
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Oct 18, 2011 -- 6:34PM, d_p_m wrote:


Oct 18, 2011 -- 12:31PM, hamerhas wrote:


We know that the bible account would mandate one of the longest reigning pharaohs , immediately


followed by one of the shortest reigns occuring at the tail end of egypt's world prominence as being




 


Here is a list of the Kings of England, with the length of their reigns.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Name Reign Duration
from to days years/days
Henry III 18 or 19 October 1216 16 November 1272 20,482 or
20,483
56 years, 28 days
or 29 days
Edward III 25 January 1327 21 June 1377 18,410 50 years, 147 days
Elizabeth I 17 November 1558 24 March 1603 16,198 44 years, 127 days
Henry VI 31 August 1422 4 March 1461 14,065 38 years, 185 days
31 October 1470 11 April 1471 162 162 days
Æthelred II 18 March 978 25 December 1013 13,065 35 years, 282 days
3 February 1014 23 April 1016 810 2 years, 80 days
Henry VIII 22 April 1509 28 January 1547 13,795 37 years, 281 days
Henry I 3 August 1100 1 December 1135 12,903 35 years, 120 days
Henry II
(co-ruler with Henry the Young King)
25 October 1154 6 July 1189 12,673 34 years, 254 days
Edward I 20 November 1272 7 July 1307 12,646 34 years, 229 days
Alfred 24 April 871 26 October 899 10,412 28 years, 185 days
Edward the Elder 27 October 899 17 July 924 9,029 24 years, 264 days
Charles II[4] 29 May 1660 6 February 1685 9,019 24 years, 253 days
Charles I[5] 27 March 1625 30 January 1649 8,710 23 years, 309 days
Henry VII 22 August 1485 21 April 1509 8,642 23 years, 242 days
Edward the Confessor 8 June 1042 5 January 1066 8,612 23 years, 211 days
Richard II 22 June 1377 29 September 1399 8,134 22 years, 99 days
James I[1] 24 March 1603 27 March 1625 8,039 22 years, 3 days
Edward IV 4 March 1461 3 October 1470 3,500 9 years, 213 days
11 April 1471 9 April 1483 4,381 11 years, 363 days
William I 12 December 1066 9 September 1087 7,563 20 years, 258 days
Edward II 7 July 1307 20 January 1327 7,137 19 years, 197 days
Cnut 30 November 1016 12 November 1035 6,921 18 years, 347 days
Stephen 22 December 1135 7 April 1141 1,933 5 years, 106 days
1 November 1141 25 October 1154 4,741 12 years, 358 days
John 6 April 1199 19 October 1216 6,406 17 years, 196 days
Edgar I 1 October 959 8 July 975 5,759 15 years, 280 days
Æthelstan 2 August 924
(or 925)
27 October 939 5,564 or
5,199
15 years, 86 days
or 14 years, 86 days
Henry IV 29 September 1399 20 March 1413 4,920 13 years, 172 days
William III[6]
(co-ruler with Mary II)
13 February 1689 8 March 1702 4,770 13 years, 23 days
Henry the Young King
(co-ruler with Henry II)
14 June 1170 11 June 1183 4,745 12 years, 362 days
William II 9 September 1087 2 August 1100 4,710 12 years, 327 days
Anne[3] 8 March 1702 1 August 1714 4,529 12 years, 146 days
Richard I 6 July 1189 6 April 1199 3,561 9 years, 274 days
Eadred 26 May 946 23 November 955 3,468 9 years, 181 days
Henry V 21 March 1413 31 August 1422 3,450 9 years, 163 days
Edmund I 27 October 939 26 May 946 2,403 6 years, 211 days
Edward VI 28 January 1547 6 July 1553 2,351 6 years, 159 days
Mary II[7]
(co-ruler with William III)
13 February 1689 28 December 1694 2,144 5 years, 318 days
Mary I
(co-ruler with Philip)
19 July 1553 17 November 1558 1,947 5 years, 121 days
Philip
(co-ruler with Mary I)
25 July 1554 17 November 1558 1,576 4 years, 115 days
James II[8] 6 February 1685 11 December 1688 1,404 3 years, 309 days
Eadwig 23 November 955 1 October 959 1,043 2 years, 312 days
Edward the Martyr 9 July 975 18 March 978 984 2 years, 253 days
Harold I 12 November 1037 17 March 1040 856 2 years, 126 days
Harthacnut 17 March 1040 8 June 1042 813 2 years, 83 days
Richard III 26 June 1483 22 August 1485 788 2 years, 57 days
Louis (disputed) 14 June 1216 22 September 1217 465 1 year, 100 days
Harold II 5 January 1066 14 October 1066 282 282 days
Edmund II 23 April 1016 30 November 1016 221 221 days
Matilda (disputed) 7 April 1141 1 November 1141 208 208 days
Edward V 9 April 1483 26 June 1483 78 78 days
Edgar II 15 October 1066 17 December 1066 63 63 days
Sweyn Forkbeard 25 December 1013 3 February 1014 40 40 days
Jane (disputed) 10 July 1553 19 July 1553 9 9 days

 


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As you can see, there are a number of very long reigns, and a number of very short ones.


Do you suppose that some of the short ones came after long ones? (hint: consider Sweyn Forkbeard).


Logically,  short reigns are more likely to be associated with times of war,  economic problems, civil unrest, invasion, etc.  (can you spell  "Implosion"?)


So, given that short reigns often follow long ones,  and are more likely in troubled times, why should we attribute any  significance to the length of reign of various pharohs, in the absence  of other evidence?


 




 


Actually your English chronology establishes what amazing accuracy the bible gives concerning


the variance in the reigns of the successive Pharaohs  described in Moses day.


80 YEARS at least.


A number of years variance between the reigns of the last of Egypts pharaohs just prior to the


royal implosion verified by secular Egyptology.


The bigger the number claimed by the bible the easier to disprove , or verify , by Egyptology.


Thus your complete, timid silence on it , and your running like a whipped puppy to the  


English record to make feeble application that the greatest variance to be found of 11 years  


between all the successive kings of England has commonality , to  ONE SINGLE


SPECIFIC SUCCESSION


having a varience of at least 80 YEARS.


Given thousands of years before before any of your English Kings were in diapers. 


Any English port in a storm .


You really do have no place else to go. 


The greatest variance  you can produce between the reigns of two successive of kings in the


entire English history is 11 years.


11 paltry years being the largest variance you can produce in the entire English history. 


11 years varience being the greatest single anomaly in the entire history.


And the majority of successive reigns have less than a 5 year variance. 


This despite all your blowing hard of  "very long reigns followed by "very short ones" .


Either an outright lie , or another glittering example of your cluelessness.


This time clueless of the numbers contained in information you provided yourself.


That "very long " variance of a massive 11 years does require a good bit of smoke blowing.


But then I have noticed the evolutionary crowd has evolved a great capacity for bluster.


I must give credit where it is due though.


You were able to restrain yourself from claiming " billions and billions " of years variance


between the reigns of successive English kings.


No small feat for an evolutionist if I may say. 


 




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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2011 - 9:31PM #40
amcolph
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Are you ever going to tell us exactly what it is we are supposed to be timid about?


Don't forget, we're evilutionists and not very bright.  I'm afraid you will have to spell it out for us.

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