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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2011 - 3:14PM #197
rangerken
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Dec 18, 2011 -- 1:00PM, Liza18 wrote:


interesting read on egypt www.islamicsolutions.com/who-killed-shai...





Good way to resurrect an old thread. Very interssting link and given events in Egypt, timely as well I think. I need to give it a bit more thought before offering something substantial.


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6 months ago  ::  Dec 18, 2011 - 1:00PM #196
Liza18
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interesting read on egypt www.islamicsolutions.com/who-killed-shai...

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 26, 2011 - 5:17PM #195
theinterpreter
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The Revelution in Egypt may be a good thing, or it may be a bad thing. Opposition leader Nour recently said that if elected. he would do away with the peace treaty with Israel. Replacing a bad president with a worse one is not progress.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2011 - 7:33AM #194
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North Africa is in the news.


«A Large contingent of the mercenary came from the Sahel countries like Mali, Niger and one of the largest subgroups of these mercenaries is made up of Western Sahara Separatists fighter affiliated with the Polisario group, a long time ally and benefactor of Ghadafi's arms, training and financial assistance.


Witnesses have described the brutal tactics in the crackdown by Gadhafi loyalists from western sahara, Mali and Niger.
Thousands of Western sahara Separatists were enrolled in the pan-Arabic army of Gadhafi  and were later demobilized in the '90s. Many of them came back to Tindouf's Frente Polisario camps in South Western Algeria. However, many western sahara separatist fighters remained in Libya, and have enrolled in the Libyan security forces, some of them were included in the special unit in Benghazi that was used in the repression of the Benghazi movement.

A recent  grainy video clip of a captured african mercenary speaking in a discernible Arabic "hassani" dialect used by Western saharans. Witnesses described brutal tactics in the crackdown by Gadhafi loyalists from Western Sahara, Mali, Niger and other French Speaking Africans from countries further south in The continent.»


www.moroccoboard.com/news/34-news-releas...

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2011 - 6:26AM #193
Karma_yeshe_dorje
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Al Jazeera says that Cyrenaica is getting seriously militant!

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 20, 2011 - 5:36AM #192
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I received an e-mail from a former colleague in Tripoli. Apparently the situation is bad in Cyrenaica!

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 20, 2011 - 3:03AM #191
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 11, 2011 - 8:27PM #190
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Here are models for Egypt's future.


«TURKEY: mooted as a model for Egypt, but with reservations.


The Good: the military has traditionally stepped in to “ensure democracy,” in times of upheaval. Although it intervened in civilian government four times between 1960 and 1997, the military won points with the West by returning to civilian rule and overseeing constitutional reform.


The Bad: Turks, Kurds and liberals were repressed by the state and the new constitution had an authoritarian edge.


The Outcome: gradual transition to multi-party democracy, and the military’s loss of power through free elections. As a moderate Islamist party took over and sought membership in the European Union, the military sank further into the background. Turks still see it as part of an omnipresent “deep state.”


INDONESIA: seen as a bastion for the West against a feared enemy, with echoes in the present day.


The Good: Cold War Washington saw Gen. Suharto’s military regime as the best alternative to communism in the mid 1960s, pumping in billions of dollars in humanitarian and military aid. Foreign investment fuelled a massive rise in the GDP.


The Bad: corruption, criminality, repression and massive bloodshed were the hallmarks of the military government, while ordinary Indonesians saw few benefits of the economic upturn.


The Outcome: growing calls for democracy, splits in political parties and the Asian financial crisis led to a huge protest movement and Suharto’s resignation. It later forced a change that allowed direct election of the president and development of democracy.


PAKISTAN: like Egypt, a country where the military has a large footprint, and is seen as a defender of the state.


The Good: since independence Pakistanis turned to the military at times of instability to solve their economic or political problems and stave off chaos.


The Bad: successive military rulers promised to build the economy, guarantee internal and external stability, but ultimately failed. Latterly, President Pervez Musharraf vacillated over dealing with religious extremism while terrorism took root, violence escalated and the economy frayed.


The Outcome: protests and political rivals forced Musharraf from office in 2008, but the legacy of terrorist violence continued. The military led disaster relief efforts during the 2010 floods, while the civilian government lost credibility. The government is weak, the military still entrenched, but shows no signs of wanting to regain power.


BRAZIL: decades of military dictatorship and political turbulence were reversed by a military leader’s change of direction.


The Good: After successively repressive regimes, Gen. Ernesto Geisel began gradual democratization, cracked down on military violence and repression. His successor allowed transition to civilian rule in 1985, beginning a bumpy road to political stability.


The Bad: until the mid 1970s Brazil was plagued by a regime of torture and brutal repression that left deep scars on the society.


The Outcome: After the transition Brazil’s “economic miracle” catapulted it into the front line of the new global economic order, and its first female president was elected last year.»


www.thestar.com/news/world/article/93769...

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 11, 2011 - 8:33AM #189
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Feb 10, 2011 -- 5:45PM, Christianlib wrote:

Very foolish move.  Earlier today, the army told the demonstrators that all their demands would be met.  The single biggest demand was Mubarak leaving.

Then they dropped hints all day about his speech.

Then M backstabs them.

Then the VP say, "ok, you got what you want, go home."

Yeah, sure.

Personally, I think the army gave M one last chance to be graceful in his exit.  He was arrogant, stupid, tone deaf to his people, or all three.  Next, one morning very soon, he will get a 6 am "wake up", and the nation will be told about who is "now" in control.

I doubt it will happen before Monday because of various Sabbaths.  But bet it sure isn't further away than Wednesday.



 


>>>>>>>>> I am not so sure this is the "Last" chance. Middle east is a strange place and many unpopular/unacceptable leaders/dictators have been "Leading" [ Or should I say misleading?] people in a brutal fashion for years.


 


May people's wish win this time.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 11, 2011 - 8:27AM #188
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Feb 8, 2011 -- 5:37PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


BD

Your point is what exactly? Two years ago, while the regime in Egypt looked unshakable and, looking at the various possible successors to Mubarak in the Israelis expressed preference for a military officer with whom they had fairly good rapport. Do you honestly think that any country would not prefer to deal with someone with whom they have a fairly good rapport? If you think that they wouldn't then you are living in an alternate universe.


Do you think that there is any country in the world which would not prefer that their neighbors be stable? If you think that they wouldn't then you are living in an alternate universe. 


Finally, the IDF is not the government of Israel. You do understand that don't you?


 





 


>>>>>>> It was not "My" point rather an Israeli point. I simply shared a news since we are talking about Egypt and Mubarak.


Rocket you are looking a little excited today. ;-)


Just a related news.


 


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