The "we" used by Mr. Musri would be he, Mr. Jones and any others involved in the talks they had, but who is the them that agreed to move the cultural center since Mr. Musri could only be a he and none of the other principals to this supposed agreement were present.

As far as Mr. Jones being attacking only "radical Islam", there are signs outside his church saying "Islam is of the devil".  His children went to school wearing t-shirts with the same written on them.  He is quoted in the press with the same quote.  Perhaps you only oppose radical Islam but Mr. Jones most certainly does not!

By the way the negative reaction was not only local but it was the local reaction that woould most directly effect his little group and its potential for growth.  And while many locally and nationally have criticism radical Islam and Islamic (and non Islamic) terrorists they did not suggest burning anyone's holy text nor even the various fatwas they opposed.

Sep 9, 2010 -- 8:32PM, Weepingangelofthetrees wrote:

Sep 9, 2010 -- 8:16PM, MysticWanderer wrote:

The "we" used by Mr. Musri would be he, Mr. Jones and any others involved in the talks they had, but who is the them that agreed to move the cultural center since Mr. Musri could only be a he and none of the other principals to this supposed agreement were present.

  So then the pronoun, "them" is just as applicable. Can we move on now in taking issue with the pronouns? 

Sep 9, 2010 -- 8:32PM, Weepingangelofthetrees wrote:

No because Mr. Musri has the excuse of being edited but you do not.  In English grammar a pronouon MUST have an antecedant, that is a noun that it refers to.  Otherwise you have a vague reference which can be easily misunderstood.  Clarity of language promotes clarity of thought.  Unclarity of language either represents unclear thouoght or intentional obfustication to prokmote misunderstanding.

As far as Mr. Jones being attacking only "radical Islam", there are signs outside his church saying "Islam is of the devil".  His children went to school wearing t-shirts with the same written on them.  He is quoted in the press with the same quote.  Perhaps you only oppose radical Islam

  I do oppose Radical Islam. What's tragic is one doesn't see non-radical Muslims doing the same in demonstrating that.

 

but Mr. Jones most certainly does not!

Jones: (sic)"... Oh, I think definitely. Definitely radical Islam is an enemy. I think there's also the question of how – I think sometimes we don't realize that this radical element of Islam goes deeper into the Muslim community than what we actually want to admit. To give you a small example, we had yesterday a Muslim lady came onto our property. I mean, we're here in America. We're in Gainesville, Florida. We're in a little subdivision. And a Muslim lady comes on to our property and threatens us. She says, 'if you do not stop this, there is a wrath, there is a judgment, there is a judgment coming upon you that you cannot handle.'  "

By the way the negative reaction was not only local but it was the local reaction that woould most directly effect his little group and its potential for growth.  And while many locally and nationally have criticism radical Islam and Islamic (and non Islamic) terrorists they did not suggest burning anyone's holy text nor even the various fatwas they opposed.

Sep 9, 2010 -- 8:32PM, Weepingangelofthetrees wrote:

While this Muslim woman certainly could be the representative of a local radical Muslim cell preparing to bomb Mr. Jones church, a far mmore likely explanation is that...

I won't proffer myself as a mind reader and presume to speak for what her far more likely explanation is.

she was upset at the pending desecration of her holy book and was warning Mr. Jonmes of the very real threat that the Quran istelf makes about those who desecrate it.

You mean that holy book held sacred by the religion of peace, makes threats that the book itself can not carry out, with regard to what may happen in the event it's desecrated?

Once again living in the area I am aware of many of the local moods.  Since 9/11 there have been no arrests or investigations of Muslim societies or groups in central Florida, the Gainesville area or the University of florida.  Seems even the FBI and Homeland Security find our Muslims moderate.

local moods? What is that? Remembering your aforementioned statement about grammar and proper usage.

And unless you are privy to the information those agencies you mentioned, like FBI and Homeland Security, may have regarding persons or society's, or groups of interest in those area's you mention, you are simply offering your opinion.

The defense of anythig by the ACLU is not a defense of its content,after all the ACLU defended the KKK and the American Nazi Party.

Yes, it's that pesky little first amendment that permits the freedom to speak. While appreciation of the content is elective.

  I agree that Mr. Jones and his church have the right to burn Qurans but I still feel it is stupid, unChristian and unAmerican!

You're entitle to your free right to an opinion.
What is American is free speech. What is unAmerican is declaring someone does not have the right to that freedom, unless the content of their speech is deemed appropriate. And of course it then becomes a matter of, who determines appropriateness?

And the t-shirts and signs again do not mention radical Islam they mention Islam in general.

So what?! You made reference previously to,(the) "very real threat that the Quran istelf makes about those who desecrate it." For some, any threats made against desecrating a book, may be freely construed as evil and that what holds potential to inspire radicalism, in order to effect those threats. If there are threats against desecrating the book, and there are Sura that direct violence and intolerance against Infidels, then it's not a religion of peace and is radically opposed to affording itself as a wholly peaceful faith. It's simply a matter of degree's, when Peace is an elective and radicalism, and violence, are avowed, even excused,  as god's will.

  I could oppose the Black Panthers for instasnce but to say "All Blacks are of the devil" woould NOT reflect that but wouold be racist.

To refer to all blacks as of the devil, would be racist. But to describe Islam as of the Devil, when the Devil is the adversary of peace, and the Koran contains sura that can be interpreted as evil, when they declare violence, murder, slavery, etc... are in keeping with god's will, are two different things.

Blacks are not of the Devil, though there are racists that would disagree. It's all subjective, depending upon what one construes "evil" and "Devil" to mean. An individual would have every right to read the Koran and it's Sura that describe vicious violent acts against Infidels (and others), and freely determine those sura are evil and of the Devil. A different individual may disagree. But that those Sura are there, revokes any claim that may be made in saying that Islam is wholly a religion of peace, when it's own Sura do not even make that proclamation.

Sep 9, 2010 -- 8:32PM, Weepingangelofthetrees wrote:

And I wonder what would have happened had people burned, not threatened or made it public for days in advance, the Koran in order to criticize radical Islam just as radically as Radical Islam thinks it is entitled to exercise it's right to radicalism?!

Sadly so far, we'll never know.

Are yoou suggesting that we shouold resort to the same sort ofactions to criticze Islamic terrorism as they use?

I didn't make a suggestion. I was speculating.

I am all for opposing mediavalist Islam and Islamic terrorism but burning a book, any book, is just stupid.

You're freely entitled to your opinion. And as you are aware, there exist those who are opposed. 

Sep 9, 2010 -- 10:15PM, jane2 wrote:

It's been a hot time in the town as each new interview appears.

I'm sure he's figuring out how to get some money out of this.

Does anyone know who gave Mr. Jones the title of Rev.? Any idiot can start a congregation and his doesn't amount to much.

This is America. Anyone can start a church and call yourself a Reverend or any other religious title you want. File the right papers and you're a tax free church. He started a church before this one... but they kicked him out for dipping into the collection basket too often.

The media should never have covered this silly thing.   A corrupt pastor with church of 50 stupid members should be ignored. It should be ignored by the media and Muslims.  The whole thing is so pathetic. 

I do agree with all that any violence done as a response to this is just as reprehensible as violence toward those who are attacking Muslims.  You can't have it one sided.  There is no excuse for violent revenge for being offended.