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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 9:51AM #1
mountain_man
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A flotilla of ships bringing aid to the blockaded Gaza Strip was stormed by Israeli commandos.


Here's the story.


I distinctly remember someone here telling me that Gaza was NOT being blockaded. This attack is just another example of Israel not being interested in peace.

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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 10:08AM #2
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The attack was made on international waters, no less.   9 dead and scores injured.  


A boat carrying humanitarian aid for the supposedly free and open concentration camp.


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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 1:45PM #3
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This is a thoroughly apporpriate thead here on HTZ. However, a similar thread, and a very active one, is on Middle East News and Politics...already offering spirited arguments from all sides. The thread title there is 'Israel Attacks Convoy at Sea'.


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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 2:57PM #4
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Ken,


IF, and I do say if, this is as reported, it is an atrocity.  If so, how can there be an "all sides" to an atrocity.


I agree with President Obama, it IS of great concern, but it is inappropriate to comment, from ANY supposed "side", until the facts are known.


 

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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 3:03PM #5
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There seems to be those who are ready to make this an "atrocity" BEFORE all the facts are known.


Seems it was NOT a one-sided shootout be the Israelis.  Seems there's evidence that these "peaceful protesters" may have attacked the commandos as they boarded the vessel, and that prompted the shooting.


Again, not all the facts are in, but also clear this is NOT a case of "black-and-white-evil-Israeli-atrocity."

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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 3:06PM #6
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May 31, 2010 -- 3:03PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


There seems to be those who are ready to make this an "atrocity" BEFORE all the facts are known.


Seems it was NOT a one-sided shootout be the Israelis.  Seems there's evidence that these "peaceful protesters" may have attacked the commandos as they boarded the vessel, and that prompted the shooting.


Again, not all the facts are in, but also clear this is NOT a case of "black-and-white-evil-Israeli-atrocity."





 


"May have "attacked" the commandos as they boarded."???? C'mon, mark, that's a pretty clear definition of "defended" themselves, and not an attack at all.  As I said, quit spinning, and let's wait for facts.

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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 3:11PM #7
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When you CROSS into a blockaded area after being told to turn back, and you get boarded, the SMART thing to do offer no resistance.


IF resistance was offered the Israeli Navy would've been within their rights to blow the ship away.


 

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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 3:13PM #8
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So, facts be damned?  You have made up your mind.


 


(PS, some reports are saying this took place in International Waters, not a "blockaded area.")


 


IF your mind is, as above, made up regardless, you are being as prejudiced as anyone on any of the supposed "sides."


 

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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 3:21PM #9
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May 31, 2010 -- 3:03PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


There seems to be those who are ready to make this an "atrocity" BEFORE all the facts are known.


Seems it was NOT a one-sided shootout be the Israelis.  Seems there's evidence that these "peaceful protesters" may have attacked the commandos as they boarded the vessel, and that prompted the shooting.



Seems there are people who are willing to only wait for a certain sort of facts.

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4 years ago  ::  May 31, 2010 - 3:23PM #10
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Look who the Hell is talking, Chrsitianlib.  Seems YOU'VE already decided to condemn the Israelis.


Do you know what an EEZ is?  Do you know anything regarding the Laws of war on a Board and Search, or on the enforcement of a blockade on the high seas?


Probably not.


The Boarding Force DOES have the right to defend itself against attack.


This case was initially reported as a MASSACRE of defenseless protesters.


As more information comes out, this is proving NOT to be the case.

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